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Arizona State instructor followed, injured by Turning Point crew (www.insidehighered.com)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“All he had to do was walk away,” Kolvet said of Boyles

He tried walking away. He walked away and these guys kept following him and taunting him/defaming him. A person can only be reasonably expected to tolerate that for so long.

This was clearly harassment with the intent to goad the professor into an action that Turning Point could spin in their favor. Either a frustrated "leave me alone" or some act of violence. After that, they'd use editing to remove their harassment so that it seemed like he got flustered and/or resorted to violence after the first innocent question.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In the United States, if you insult someone so that they punch you, it's your fault. As we get more non-white or openly LGBT judges and prosecutors, hopefully they will enforce the law as written.

The fighting words doctrine, in United States constitutional law, is a limitation to freedom of speech as protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

In 1942, the U.S. Supreme Court established the doctrine by a 9–0 decision in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire.[1] It held that "insulting or 'fighting words', those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" are among the "well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech the prevention and punishment of [which] … have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be clear, it’s not just insults in general. If you walk up to someone and say “you look like poop” and they respond by punching you square in the face, that’s on them. You need to go above and beyond in your attempted insults to raise to the level of fighting words.

[–] vaultdweller013 6 points 1 year ago

Not gonna lie if I saw someone walk up to some dude and say "you look like poop" only to get fucking decked I think id be laughing too hard to care about right or wrong.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

if you insult someone so that they punch you, it's your fault

That's not quite true. That's speech that you can be arrested for.

For use of force, or throwing a punch, here's the justifications for force in one of the states in which I've had to work with the law: https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm#9.22 Look at 9.31(b)(1). It specifically says that force is not justified based on verbal provocation alone. It doesn't matter what they say. As long as the speech doesn't constitute a threat, then you cannot swing freely and claim self-defense as a legal defense.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The veritas playbook!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

*Project Veritas

[–] [email protected] 104 points 1 year ago

That sure sounds like terrorism to me. Just scare everyone into agreeing with you by being violent toward them, right? It’s the conservative way.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They need to be investigated as a criminal organization.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Turning point should be treated like the hate group they are.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Absolutely

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I would not be surprised if a doj investigation into their email servers over the next 3 years or so revealed some absolutely horrendous shit that they've been doing while claiming to be Noble do-gooders.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would the police investigate themselves?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

How else are they going to declare they’ve been investigated and no wrongdoing was found?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Nazis