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"When you use Signal, your data is stored in encrypted form on your devices. The only information that is stored on the Signal servers for each account is the phone number you registered with, the date and time you joined the service, and the date you last logged on."

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think Signal is trying too hard to be secure, and they are missing a lot of convenience features.

For example, you can't migrate from Android to iOS or vice versa. You'll lose all your messages and groups.

Or it's really hard to export all the photos someone sent you. I get that my iCloud library isn't as secure, but I really want to make sure I don't lose those photos if I lose my device. The photos aren't that sensitive.

The security notifications are also well-meaning, but hard to make sense of. You sometimes get notifications for changed security numbers, when people change their phone, sometimes folks show up twice in groups, etc. It's all a bit hard to understand and difficult to use.

And finally, it seems that messages are sometimes delivered a bit unreliably or with a long delay.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

My main messaging app is telegram, what would be the advantage in moving to signal? ( Pretending I manage to convince at least my main contacts )

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's the rub. Unless privacy is your highest priority there isn't any advantage. I wish I could convince my main contacts to move but convenience is a higher priority for them.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Telegram chats aren't e2ee by default. You're essentially putting your chats on a server owned by a rich Russian person as a hobby.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love Signal, but was unable to convince enough of my network to migrate. They are mostly stuck using Meta's spyware (Instagram and Whatsapp). In the end, Telegram seemed like a good mid-way for enough of my friends and peers.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Hello there, and welcome to our community! I hope you like it in here.

Could you please include some body text as to why should people know this, and how would that help them? It’s our second rule. Thank you :)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After convincing a shitload of iMessage users to get telegram, I'm not going through that again.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Love signal, just for me, I know 2 people who use it. Tried to get a group chat to move there but WhatsApp has too big a grasp.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here in the US at least, Whatsapp is not nearly as prevalent as some other parts of the world. I got all my coworkers in my 6 person department to use it. I got my SO to use it. Somehow getting my family to start a group chat was one of the harder ones. I'll keep doing my part :)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If only they still supported sms....

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I've used Signal for years. Absolutely incredible messenger that does it all, and then some. Much better UX than FB Messenger and Whatsapp.

[–] wildbus8979 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only information that is stored on the Signal servers for each account is the phone number you registered with, the date and time you joined the service, and the date you last logged on."

Ahem, and a list of contacts, they've improved since, but it used to be that this was a simple hash of the phone number which is obviously vulnerable to a very easily generated rainbow table.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My network is all on Signal and Signal has been good to us. Matrix may become the way of the future but for now Signal is a good place to be for this lot.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've been using signal for a few years. I'm now in a situation that I use two different phones but signal only allows you to be connected to a single device, and you only see the messages in your history for the particular device you received it on. You can't migrate messages, the UI is extremely basic and isn't a responsive design so you have no control over window size on larger screens. There's just so many annoying little things about it, but overall it's pretty solid. I'm looking for a better solution now though.

It really needs some more effort put in on UI design, data migration and linked devices. Development is very slow. I hoped it would improve but nothing has changed for years.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use Signal but it's on its own path to becoming enshittified too. Less like Reddit, more like Firefox, the people in charge are just clueless about the signal userbase.

It won't be long until there's a shift to an alternative because the current president of the signal foundation is one step away from turning it into Snapchat.

Instead of pumping money into increasing awareness or enhancing reliability of the service, the Signal team have wasted effort on features that nobody asked for, including its very own crypto shitcoin (a major red flag for any company). They also remove features people relied on, such as SMS support.

It's hard to trust the Signal team when they continually disappoint in such egregious ways.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Signal is great. I wish more people used it because I trust it more than anything that’s a product of Facebook. No matter what they claim, I always worry there’s something they aren’t admitting to.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see a lot of people here struggling to get contacts to drop sms and imessage. i have had success in getting a lot of friends on signal because cross platform group mms is dogshit.

i can't get any whatsapp people to budge though

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