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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's what happen when you make up some entity to be responsible for everything including suffering and shits

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Is the real riddle about not being powerful enough or smart enough to spell omniscient correctly?

[–] CookieJarObserver 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If im omnipotent, then the question isn't if im evil or not but if that measurement applies to me, and if everything isn't just irrelevant for me?

(i would be very evil, if i care enough about it)

[–] dream_weasel 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And that's it. If you play roller coaster tycoon and figure out how to launch a roller coaster into a lake and drown everyone, are you evil from the perspective of the game characters? Sure almost definitely. Do you care? Absolutely fucking not. You're just playing with toys you set up and the rules are whatever you want. You can tear this one down and start a new game and make everyone happy next.

Basically the measuring stick of your play objects is laughably irrelevant as a metric for your self measurement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Here's my take.

Whether "God" is all good, all knowing, all capable, or all something else is an irrelevant question. It presumes "God" has motivation to demonstrate any of these "all"s in a way we could comprehend, and I'm not talking about the Futurama idea "when you're doing it right, they won't be sure you've done anything at all" deal.

I mean that "God" is gone. Packed their shit up and moved on, when exactly they'd have done this is up for debate, but for relatability's sake I'll say after the ascension of Jesus.

"Jesus died for our sins.", this phrase references Jesus's cleansing the human race of original sin, the frustrated children of young earth creationists accuse this notion of "God" forgiving humanity for trying to learn things, but since the Torah is intended as a metaphorical text, I take the meaning of what Jesus cleansed humanity of as "sins of the father."

Basically, "God" made humanity, and then left when humanity gained self awareness and individuality. The point of any religion they'd have placed on earth, or any messenger they'd have sent would be to model good behaviour for the people they appear to, and then to leave those people to learn to choose to behave themselves, not for fear of punishment or for promise of salvation, but because doing the right thing in a moment is just the right thing to do, and that alone merits doing it.

So the chain of development is "God" makes the world and the beginning stages of humanity, at some point "God" takes the training wheels off by making every individual responsible for their own actions rather than to be tied inextricably to some ancestor's will or legacy or crimes, "God" leaves to give humanity the free will to choose goodness for goodness' own sake rather than out of some command to do so.

In other words, if there's a great and powerful creator, they're obviously not here to intervene for their own law, and that'd probably be by design if their intention was for us to exercise our own free will in a moral manner.

Regardless of if the shoe fits or not mythologically, I feel like the "do right for right's own sake" is a proper enough "final imperative" in a free will model of the world.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The Christian solution to the Trolley Problem: "Don't worry, guys on the tracks! I'll pray for you!"

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