this post was submitted on 13 Jun 2023
10 points (100.0% liked)

Asklemmy

43970 readers
664 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy 🔍

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_[email protected]~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Let's say Lemmy acquires the critical mass of users, continues to gain in popularity. Eventually someone will offer a large sum of money, the platform grows, new owners look towards an IPO, the goals shift, yadayada... How is different this time?

all 14 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] themoonisacheese 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Offer a large sum of money to whom and for what? To an instance owner? Okay, take your instance, the users will migrate as soon as you start making changes that they don't like and you can't stop them. Also, good luck monztising it because either you have the same problem reddit had in that third party apps don't show ads, or you disguise ads as content and now your users hate you and migrate away.

To the développers? To do what exactly? If it's to make the source code private, tough luck not only are they not allowed to do that thanks to the licence, but also that would be literally impossible due to the amount of copies. If it's to implement changes to make money, as soon as instance owners, who are users and are interested in not having their users migrate away from their instance, see that, they won't update and someone will continue making something out of the last good copy of the source code, forking it.

There is effectively no path for someone to pay to take over lemmy, apart from bribing every user (and even that wouldn't prevent me from taking the bribe and just going back to what we were doing)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

https://gifer.com/en/5MSc

^You, taking corporate money as they try to take over Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Every single Lemmy instance could theoretically be doomed to repeat Reddit's path. Including the flagship instance, lemmy.ml. Theoretically.

However, once said instance is going downhill, people would be far less affected. Because only a fraction of the users and communities will be in that instance; most of them will be elsewhere. And since the instances work under the same protocol, it would be way easier to move the info elsewhere too.

And the admins of those instances know it. That discourages them to be abusive towards their own users, because unlike the Reddit admins they can't rely on people coming back.

That's the beauty of the Fediverse. We aren't putting all our eggs inside the same basket, but even then we can make a tasty omelette together with all of them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there needs to be a way to migrate accounts easily to another instance in this case. If im on Lemmy.world and they mess up so I want to use Beehaw or something then (it looks like?) I have to make a new account essentially (I could be wrong on that im still figuring this out)

[–] themoonisacheese 2 points 1 year ago

Currently this is correct. Account migration is a thing that is technically possible, they just have to implement it. However, I don't think you would lose much anyway? Your username would be available on the other instances and yeah your posts are not under the exact account but you're not exactly building a YouTube channel here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's the way I see it as well. Like a Hydra, you can cut one of its head, but another instance will take its place.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It could happen if there was a very popular instance that didn't federate with others.

[–] mcc 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

An instance that gained its popularity starting off not federate with others? Not possible right? How the hell do you attract another instance's users if you don't federate?

An instance that start off federating but ended up breaking off? How is it supposed to retain its users from other instances?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmygrad is blocked from federating with most other instances but still is a pretty large instance. Though that instance in particular is not very likely to look towards IPO.

[–] mcc 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holy shit I am laughing so hard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

"Comrades! It's been fun but we've decided we like money now, so we sold you all like serfs to a megacorporation. Now do as they say. Bye!"

[–] danisth 1 points 1 year ago

If an instance become overwhelmingly popular it could theoretically decide that users from other instances aren’t important and leave the federation. They would lose the users from elsewhere, but leave them free to fork the code and do their own thing. I’m not sure how this works with the licensing, but they were determined I’m sure they could go down the same path as Reddit.

[–] mcc 4 points 1 year ago

Starting off, you should register on other instances too.

And compare the experiences on different instances.

Then you will understand why it doesn't matter if lemmy.ml goes insane one day.