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[–] [email protected] 161 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Agree with you in general, but I think a lot if people here are not really informed what differences there are materialistic ideologies.

Yes, Stalin bad.

But Guevara is not Stalin.

Marx is not che

Engels is not Marx

China is not communist.

Marxism is not materialism

Socialism is not communism

Also the amount of people bringing the "the 3 times people tried socialism were bad, so the whole ideology must be bad" argument are way to high IMHO.

How many times was capitalism tried? How many times it worked out? Is the USA a "functioning" state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?

While I agree with you, that oppression is bad, no matter what the oppressor calls himself, we should talk about policies without resorting to dogmas and generalising people in favor of fear the hegemonic class is propagating to stay in power.

[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Yeah, that's not the tankies here; these are "North Korea is a great country, actually" tankies.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also, "anything negative about a communist country is US propaganda"

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 years ago

or "russia is correctly in invading ukraine"

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 years ago (3 children)

When a liberal says "tankie" they mean anything remotely communist-looking. When a leftist says "tankie", they mean authoritarians who like red flags and self-proclaimed communists who nonetheless support hierarchies and have no plan or intention to bring them down. I think the vast majority of people here knows this already.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (33 children)

Is the USA a “functioning” state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?

I hope you realize that this is an incredibly privileged take. The US is rife with issues, but the hardships experienced by the average western citizen doesn't even compare to the suffering that you would find in, say, Pol Pot's Cambodia, or (to a less extreme extent) Maduro's Venezuela. To compare what a US citizen deals with on a daily basis due to capitalism to what a citizen of any of those countries had to go through is very reductive and may be perceived as disrespectful to many who had to live those experiences.

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[–] [email protected] 132 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Based.

They already have lemmygrad.

Honestly, I don't think we need them here.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 years ago

tankies more like no thankies

[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This comment section is really something uh

[–] [email protected] 132 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Tankies on their way to explain why teaming up with the Nazis to conquer Poland is actually based and totally in line with Marxist philosophy.

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[–] Big_Farto 68 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I got banned from lemmygrad for saying acab means all cops lmao

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

they yearn for the glorious people's boot

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Thank fuck. I thought Lemmy was some ultra militant leftist hellhole before the shift.

I don't like extreme radical left any more than extreme radical right.

Fuck Che Guevara. Read a book.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (6 children)

tankies arent radical left. they are authoritarians ffs

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 years ago (3 children)

there's literally a community called "moretankie196", they should go infest that one instead

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Just removed like 40 comments and banned a buncha people.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

holy shit they kicked the tankies out of 196

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

finds social media developed by tankies

looks inside

finds tankies

fr I'm down with having a good old purge eventually but noone should be surprised

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can we have something like tankiejerk here? I seriously liked browsing that sub after a bad day with the red fashs.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (31 children)

that sub often tended towards outright anti-leftism

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (15 children)

What are some good actual communist lemmy communities that aren't supporting the fucking capitalist imperialist russian invasion?

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago

I have always wondered why it always says "Kick _" when she is punching instead of kicking. Lol.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

300 Comments already. Oh my god! Lol.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (26 children)

Honest question - what's a tankie? I feel like I've seen them mentioned a ton on Lemmy but I'd never heard the term prior to a few days ago. From the image it looks like a maga/skinhead combo?

[–] [email protected] 95 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They're communists, but not your every day "people should hold the power" communists. More like "tianenmen never happened, and if it did it wasn't that bad" type

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Tankie was first used for that kind of communist supporter who kept singing Russia's praises/defending Russia even when Russia was sent 5000 tanks to crush a popular uprising in Czechoslovakia (the "Prague Spring") on August 20, 1968. Some people just couldn't accept that a communist country could do something bad, so defended the action.

Nowadays, it's used to refer to those that are strongly supportive of Russia, completely ignoring the awful things they do. Often these days there's a lot of anti American bent to it. Like, anything anti America and American "imperialism" must be good - even blatant and awful Russian Imperialism.

These days they calmly explain how Ukraine just needs to come to the table and discuss peace (ignoring that Ukraine wouldn't exist if they did so) and blame America for the war in Ukraine for... well... they're America. The people who want war, or are causing the war, are those giving Ukraine weapons - not the country that is literally invading it.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Originally, it was used to describe communists who followed the party line and supported suppressing Hungarian workers with tanks.

Today it means ultra-authoritarian marxist-leninist.

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