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A Cuban teenager unwittingly found himself on the front lines of the war in Ukraine after accepting a job offer he received on WhatsApp to do "construction work" for the Russian military, according to Time magazine.

Alex Vegas Díaz, 19, and a friend were taken to a military base, outfitted with weapons, and then sent to fight, according to Time, which reviewed social media footage posted by Vegas Díaz.

In one of the videos, dated August 31, which went viral, Vegas Díaz can be seen in a Russian hospital recovering from an unspecified illness. According to Time, he said he was due to be sent back to the front upon recovery.

From his hospital bed, he pleaded to "help get us out of here," adding: "What is happening in Ukraine is ugly—to see people with their heads open before you, to see how people are killed, feel the bombs falling next to you."

According to Time, Vegas Díaz said in one video: "There are dead Cubans, there are missing Cubans, and this is not going to end until the war is over."

He added: "We know that Cuba is aware and our advice to Cubans is not to come here. This is the craziest thing. Crazy. Don't do it."

Time reported that Vegas Díaz became part of a large operation that openly recruited hundreds of Cubans to join the Russian army to fight in Ukraine.

According to the magazine, the recruitment effort involved adverts for job contracts with the Ministry of Defence in Russia that began to appear on Cuban Facebook groups in June.

It said that recruits were offered 204,000 rubles, or $2,120 US dollars, to sign up.

Average monthly salaries in Cuba are dramatically lower, making it an enticing prospect.

Time reviewed the job contracts, which it said required a one-year commitment, but came with an enlistment fee and a payout for the families of recruits if they are killed in action.

The exact number of Cubans recruited through this initiative remains uncertain, with estimates provided to Time ranging from hundreds to more than a thousand

Though Cuba's foreign ministry described the recruitment effort as a "human trafficking network," four Cuba experts and former US officials expressed skepticism to Time

They said that the Cuban government, a long-standing ally of Russia, may be using such language to maintain the appearance of a neutral stance in the Ukraine conflict, Time reported.

Regardless of the nature or provenance of the recruitment drive, there is concern in the US that recruits such as Vegas Díaz may have been deceived into accepting job offers.

The State Department said in a statement provided to Time that "we are deeply concerned that young Cubans may have been deceived and recruited to fight for Russia in its brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine, and we continue to monitor this situation closely."

The US State Department did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 58 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If only there was an international body to prevent or penalize countries like Russia who do this. We could call it the Nations United!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, doesn't rule off the tongue as easily as League of Countries

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

At the rate we are going, we'll end up with the League of LLCs

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

It impossible to do anything to one of the permanent security council members. They can each veto anything the UN can do to them. So, your idea is not that bright. You can read about the Russia Ukraine thing here. . It’s an actual UN write up about your big idea.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Oh damn, an article containing a topic about Russia and Cuba. I hope this post will contain a civil conversation about the topic without it derailing into a giant fighting pit about the United States.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago

Yeah not like the USA had been deeply invested in the futures of both nations for the majority of the last century or anything like that.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago

Cuba and Russia, both which exist as they exist because of US meddling. The US was directly responsible for the undemocratic dissolution of the USSR without which this war wouldn't be happening. The US is directly responsible for cuban economic desperation as they've been sieging Cuba ever since the communists overthrew the US puppet dictator and installed a socialist democracy.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The Russian Federation was founded about 30 years ago due to NATO and its work with the USSR's internal compradores. It's difficult to discuss modern Russia without involving the West.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I hope this post will contain a civil conversation about the topic without it derailing into a giant fighting pit about the United States.

Whelp...it was a good thought.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Surprise surprise bunch of hexbearians doing it.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Putin is not a Comrade and is just as bad if not worse than Bush. This is a war to secure resources, not a war to denazify Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 11 months ago

just as bad if not worse than Bush

lol no

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago (18 children)

It feels weird to compare Putin to bush given the probable genocide going on. Murdering whole villages, raping babies, shipping kids back to Russia to brainwash them, forcing fake elections to annex territory, purposefully causing international crisis by limiting the export of food, and purposefully blowing up dams. Bush and Putin are incomparable.

Bush and Cheney deserves prison. Putin and his whole government deserve to see the world upside down for a brief time.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Man I fuckin hate bush but you're too high on the borscht if you think he's comparable to Putin.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

Manufacturing a war based on deceiving your population with hyper patriotic propaganda and out right lies is Manufacturing a war based on deceiving your population with hyper patriotic propaganda and out right lies 🤷‍♂️

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[–] Aurenkin 17 points 11 months ago

It seems to me at least that this is a war to eradicate a people as evidenced by Russia targeting schools, abducting children and brutally killing civilians. Make no mistake, Putin intends to end Ukraine not just by annexing territory, but by erasing their entire history and cultural identity.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

Dennis Reynolds : Well dude, dude, think about it: he's out in the middle of nowhere with some employer he barely knows. You know, he looks around and what does he see? Nothin' but Eastern Europe. "Ahh, there's nowhere for me to run. What am I gonna do, say 'no'?"

Mac : Okay. That... that seems really dark.

Dennis Reynolds : Nah, no it's not dark. You're misunderstanding me, bro.

Mac : I'm-I think I am.

Dennis Reynolds : Yeah, you are, because if the girl said "no" then the answer obviously is "no"...

Mac : No, right.

Dennis Reynolds : But the thing is he's not gonna say "no", he would never say "no" because of the implication.

Mac : ...Now you've said that word "implication" a couple of times. Wha-what implication?

Dennis Reynolds : The implication that things might go wrong for him if he refuses to fight for Russia. Now, not that things are gonna go wrong for him but he's thinkin' that they will.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sucks to get drawn into that conflict. On some level surely you'd know going to Russia in war time isn't a smart thing to do.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I went to the USA multiple times while it was engaged in actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not once was I issued a gun and forcibly sent to the war zone.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think that those are unequivalents

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Why is that? Russia pitches its invasion of Ukraine as a "Special Military Operation" to its sphere of influence. That sounds similar enough to Combat Operations of the USA in the Middle East.

That's likely the message the kid had. Russia is a massive country, and he's been offered a construction job. I find it plausible that he had no idea he'd be drafted.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Russia is actively conscripting people. The U.S. has had an entirely 'volunteer' force for 50 years.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Those who do not learn history are doomed to die in a Russian war of aggression against their neighbor, or something.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why would you ever accept any kind of deal which had you go into Russia?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

$2120 is too low for a year long contract for overseas work even for third world country standards, let alone in a country that is involved in an active war.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago

I think that was a signing bonus, not an annual salary.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

And yet, according to google, that's higher than the average salary in Cuba. Not even minimum.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

How progressive of Putin.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (11 children)

That being said, has anyone recognized Insider trying to tie Cuba with Russia as an ally?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s also a ton of North Koreans we never hear about.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Oops, didn't specify what you'd be building. Trenches of course!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

I'm not sure that's OSHA compliant...

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