The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
Tasers were introduced to police forces so that the police could de-escalate potentially lethal situations with less-than-lethal means. 2 seconds later, tasers turned into replacements for billy clubs to mete out punishment. That was not their intended use.
Every time they do this, they are turning a non-violent event into a violent one.
It was precisely their intended use, just not what they used to sell the idea to the public.
The police assaulted him, plain and simple.
This is America.
I didn't hear no bell!!
Trumpets in my area.
During the physical altercation, Birmingham officers attempted to get Mims to place his hands behind his back, but he refused.
The arresting officer alleges Mims pushed him during the arrest. The arresting officer then subdued Mims with a Taser which ended the physical confrontation.
Citizen resists bullshit arrest. Citizen meets force.
Even if you know the arrest is complete bullshit / illegal, it’s best not to physically fight back in almost every case. They’re just itching for a reason to kick ass.
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Because getting your ass extra kicked doesn't make the cop honest.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think @some_[email protected] was saying the cop was right. I read the comment as a reminder that cops are, well, cops, so always expect the worst from them.
I rather politely argued with a cop once, and got a fat lip.
Cops shouldn't be allowed to get away with that
Why thanks. I tend to agree. :)
Regardless of if the cops are lying or not (they likely are) what, exactly, do you have to gain by resisting? It's not like they are going to go "damn, this dude is spicy better back off." You are going to be greeted with additional force.
Acknowledging that police and brutality go together like a fish and water isn't excusing it, just saying that resisting is 100% of the time just going to end with you still getting arrested but now with additional charges and your shit kicked in
None of what he wrote was cop apology.
It's self preservation
There's no indication that the band leader did anything to lay a hand on the cop. Cops add that shit to the report by default, and if there's video you'll see they lied.
I think what the comment about cops lying is trying to say is that who cares what the cops say happened here? They're going to say he resisted no matter what. Ignore what the media puts out when it's only a mouthpiece for the police.
The Marching Band refused to yield.
You lose points for any deviation from the marching program.
Judge in your path, roll him with your flute. Cop tries to arrest the drum mayor, blast those drums and horns louder.
We all got up to dance, oh, but we never got the chance...
I wanna know why they wanted the bands to stop so bad, and why he refused to let them stop. I'd love to know what the video really shows and how much was actually explained.
It was the visiting band whose team just won 27-0 . The police were being sore losers.
I could def see it. Couple of "good ol' boys" mad that the black school beat them.
Well, if this happened in front of an entire high school band, one of the band members was most likely recording the incident and whomever is in the right will come out slightly richer.
Reminds me when my band practiced street marching before a big parade. We marched through a residential area playing the song we were going to use. A cop car came an pulled over the band, requested our parade license, and when we didn't have one, escorted us in silence back to the school. Probably the first time that cop had pulled over 200 people at the same time sans vehicle.
That's so cop. Who's harmed by the band? Who's helped by the removal?
Also, I would frickin' love it if a marching band came down the too-quiet street in front of my house. Well, long as it wasn't a daily occurrence.
IMO that should be one of those cases where if no one complains then no harm no foul, but if someone does complain, then the police are right to stop it. A lot of those bylaws are really about settling disputes so that they don't turn violent rather than strictly prohibiting behaviours.
And cops who go around enforcing them without receiving a complaint are just power trippers or neurodivergent in a way that makes them obsess about following rules (who shouldn't be given any real power).
Look out! He has rhythm!