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As admins, we removed the scat communities, thinking that scat was covered by the NSFL. However, some people have opposing views on this matter. What do you think about it? If people want it allowed, then we can restore content.

https://strawpoll.com/wby5Ae7PXyA

Edit: My answer for friends in the comments; The main reason NSFL was banned is because we currently don't have the tools to separate porn from NSFL. I'm in favor of the ban because I think its the same way in scat. If we had enough tools right now, we wouldn't be ban the NSFL either. Although, I agree that voting for niche fetishes doesn't make sense.

Edit 2: Also I don't want to think about shit anymore. I'm out ๐Ÿ˜€ https://lemmynsfw.com/post/117500

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

basic community approach

I think that lemmy is basically a place where people who have the same interests come together. These commonalities are organized through communities. This ensures that anyone who wants to contribute something to the topic can join them. **But at the same time, and more importantly for me, it also means I can stay away from a topic if I don't like the topic. **

My derivation from it

The platform with a focus on #nsfw is a place where basically everyone can organize their topics in communities. It's an open, liberal place, a place of freedom of expression. Everyone can communicate their views.

But, and this is a very important but for me!: The platform and the operators have a social responsibility. They face this by setting rules according to which certain content is not desired on the platform. For me, the most important principle is legality. I as a person, and probably others feel the same way, do not want to be on a platform that publishes or tolerates prohibited / illegal / borderline content. Banning these topics is an effective technique, although it may require community involvement to bring such content to attention. I would therefore find it wrong to say that the operator alone is responsible.

Don't ban at any cost

The thin red line between bans to keep the community "clean" and to prevent freedom of expression is a challenge in many topics. For me personally, there are several "lines" that I use as a guide. The absolute line is what is illegal by law. Based on this, I sort out what is not of interest to me because I don't want to deal with the topic / I don't like it. At the same time, I think that the community concept creates a solution in which people with any #nsfw interests can get together without it affecting me in any way. No matter how kinky one finds it, another may find finding like-minded people in a niche particularly helpful.

personal opinion

So I don't think that legal content should be banned in principle. But I think it's useful to give the user the ability to personally filter out unwanted content. (I really appreciate the Mastodon concept, which allows me to hide certain terms or tags in the settings, and I use it intensively.) So far, I've managed with lemmy in such a way that my feed only shows the subscribed communities. That's why I haven't needed the function to hide entire communities yet. But I assume that the day will come and as a user I don't think it's a bad thing at all to actively take care of myself that I don't see things that I personally don't find beautiful. It's my responsibility to do that and I think it's the right thing to do.

no matter what #nsfw inclinations

I intentionally didn't address #scat in writing the post itself beacuse it is less important to me than how we want to deal with content in general. Personally, I'm not a fan of scat, but that doesn't mean I don't feel concerned with the question. Because it could be that tomorrow there will be a vote on another #nsfw niche topic which I really love. That's why I'm looking for a solution that restricts the lemmynsfw as little as possible and still ensures that it remains a place for everyone.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

It's not for me but as long as it's clearly labelled, can be blocked by anyone who doesn't want to see that stuff, and there aren't dozens of them popping up every day then I don't see a problem with allowing it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just a user here, but I'd say a small subset of users in other instances are already asking to defederate from this instance for some of the basic communities that show up, like gonewild. I just don't see allowing a fetish "at this time" being helpful to the situation.

The mod tools are not there yet, even if you added the ability to opt-in on just this instance. If someone subscribes to the community from a different instance it will show up for ALL USERS on the all feed for that instance. And well, thats just shitty (pun intended) for those who don't like the kink but want to see nsfw communities. Now you've put the problem on the users who must choose to block the community.

So, while I'm a big supporter of kinks, I am not in support of allowing it on lemmy today. voted accordingly.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If someone subscribes to the community from a different instance it will show up for ALL USERS on the all feed for that instance.

Wow, that seems like something that needs to be changed ASAP.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's a feature, not a bug, though there's some debate on the Lemmy GitHub about the wisdom of locally caching federated nsfw content.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I assume scat means shit? Poop? Is that right?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I'm on a tracker that allows scat and there's a userscript to filter it out based on tags. Seems to work well for everyone. Maybe there's a similar solution for Lemmy?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Just let them have their own community. If this is supposed to be THE goto NSFW lemmy instance you shouldn't ban NSFW content as long as it doesn't break any laws.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Tbh I'd rather not see it, and feel like it falls under nsfl (which doesn't have to be illegal either).

I understand that it's a thing, but as someone else described it, it's like nsfw+. There's a huge range of nsfw from bikini shots to this or other stuff.

I guess I can always just watch the subscribed feed but that prevents natural discovery, and it's not the default.

So I suggest... Asking people to refrain from posting it for the time being until better filters exist. It's not exactly fair I know, but it's not like it's the only category that's questionable like that.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

As long as it stays on dedicated communities, I don't really care if it sticks around. I just block the community from showing up on my feed.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Not a fan of scat, but it's harmless to me so I'm in favor of allowing it but blocking it on my own.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same argument of the gore ban applies: https://feddit.it/comment/128064

The main problem with NSFL is that you should only find it if you're looking for it. I have noproblemi with it once better mod tools, instance or community options pop up with lemmy updates. As of now, I vote to ban it

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Who are you to define what is nsfl. There are people in here arguing consensual non consent is nsfl. How long till furry or trans communities are banned too

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Allow it. If I have to look at gay furry porn you fuckers can deal with scat.

[โ€“] itzpea 2 points 2 years ago

If people want to eat the poopoo, let them. It's none of my business.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Can someone link the definition of NSFL? The one I'm familiar with would not cover this.

As a side note, I recognize that the limitations and immaturity of the tools/code will force us to make rules and exceptions we don't like. Even if it is banned, it should be revisited later when better capabilities are available

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I wish there was a way to disable the local feed.

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