Lemmy NSFW

Definitely not a fan of scat, and I definitely don't want to see it on my feed, but I feel like it's my job as a user to block the stuff I want to avoid. If you guys want to implement a "NSFW+" feature that we can use to mass-block the content that goes past the normal NSFW limits, great, but I don't think it should be banned just because some people really don't like it.

I don't consume this sort of content, but in general, I don't think "democracy" is the best way to judge niche fetishes. Decades ago, the majority would have voted to exclude gay porn. I personally enjoy hotwife and cuckold content. I've been pushed out of communities where the thought of ones partner sleeping with someone else makes a lot of people uncomfortable. When I see the community voting for or against fetishes it makes me uncomfortable, because I wonder when one of my kinks is next.

Voting on content inclusion or inclusion will lead to a tyranny of the majority. Kink acceptance should not be a popularity contest. Instead we should seek a principles based approach that embraces inclusion and tolerance while still staying within the bounds of the law. At the same time we should encourage the lemmy devs to build features that allow users to avoid content they don't want to see so that we don't need a heavy handed top level approach.

kinda surprising to see voting is leaning towards ban. if scat won't be on lemmynsfw, where else is it supposed to be in?

Block the community if you don't like the fetish, but banning scat makes no sense to me.

What's the issue with scat porn?

Is it illegal or something?

If it's not illegal then on what grounds is it being banned?

Admin over at Yiffit here.

We have a temporary ban on content that is perfectly legal but which could be really weird to remote admins and moderators for at least 2 months in hopes that better moderation tools will appear so that remote instances can hide certain content without having to defederate from us completely.

I'm not in favor of banning things that aren't illegal (or illegal adjacent like loli). It would be awesome to be able to automatically filter things like scat, but outright banning it in my mind sends the message that this instance is not friendly to niche communities.

There are a lot of niche communities on here, anal, pregnant, trans, tiny tits, milf, gay. Anyone could find these offensive. If this instance isn't friendly to scat, it shouldn't be friendly to those communities.

Ban fetishes that are illegal or hurt people. Otherwise, let people filter them. That's my two cents.

I see no legitimate justification for straight banning it tbh.

Kinda confused why there's a vote on this tbh. Just block the community if you don't like it? That's kinda on the end user.

Like, Imma be real, I probably have the biggest community block list of any user on the instance, but that's mainly because I'm ace and here for the lewd stuff rather than the sexually explicit stuff. I know I'm not the target demographic of this instance overall, but if there's an option for people to filter the content out they should use it.

I'm disappointed to see that voting is leaning towards a ban. I'm not remotely interested in scat, but it isn't a big deal to block those communities, as I was doing before they were shut down.

I guess someone could make lemmyscat.com, targeting both the kink and Lemmy users with feline pets.

As much as I don't like it, its just another fetish. I'd allow it under its own community - are you able to make it blocked by default or an opt-in thing,

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My vote is that we ban it here. I think the best solution for these issues is to have at least two NSFW instances. One that's more tightly moderated and more socially acceptable, and a second that's run with a more Libertarian wildboi flair. Business up front, party in the back. Maybe call the other one something like LemmyTrueNSFW, or LemmyWildNSFW, or something like that. This is how Federation achieves censorship-resistance. It allows a space for those on the fringe, while preventing the fringe from overwhelming the normie majority.

I definitely don't want to browse this server (lemmy@nsfw) and come across scat in my timeline. I support banning it. People that enjoy it can set up their own server for it, and server admins can choose to federate or defederate to it.

It's another of those things where it won't be problem once lemmy develops more.

Right now, if I'm scrolling all, I can get hit with a face full of scat before I can implement a block. Which is a major problem for anyone using anything but jerboa or web, since none of the other apps can block things yet.

Lemmy doesn't have a flair system to auto filter things preemptively (though I think the connect app does it an the app).

I'm not a prude. I used to be a nurse's assistant, so nudity is meh to be, and I've seen more feces than is fair. I've had more feces on me than most people ever see in their life, tbh. But it would be very nice to not have to run across it because someone here made a brand new c/ that I haven't blocked yet. And again, and again, and again.

Hell, all the damn furry futa is at least funny for someone that isn't into the kink. But, for fucking real, I have seen all the shit I want to see in my life. That should be opt in only kink, you feel me? I can't opt out of seeing it the first time. So, yeah, maybe the idea of someone making an extreme kink instance that's easier to avoid since everyone will defederate it while leaving this one alone is a good idea.

Just saying, there are some things that are just not going to be welcomed by other instances. Scat is one that's likely to cause more trouble than it's worth.

It’s not for me but who I am I to judge. If it were possible to stop it appearing in “all” that would be ideal but that’s not how lemmy works I know.

I'm seeing a lot of discussion here and just want to chip in and lay down my argument for scat.

Banning it is really not okay. Unlike gore which clearly has significant ethical issues, scat causes no harm and is simply disliked by many people. Scat is already banned in many places of discussion, meaning that people in this fetish are forced to gather in places where actual child porn and bestiality is, because they literally have no other choice.

Please throw us a lifeline. Don't make us go to a scummy instance full of creeps and actual pedophiles.

I really love this community, and I want to stay a part of it with you all! Let us have our safe haven, there aren't many places out there like this ❤

I don't like it, but I don't think it should be banned. Why is pissing and piss drinking allowed, but the other end not? I can't believe I'm defending shit (pun intended).

Off-topic, what happened to the rules regarding underage hentai? I saw the voting/discussion posts get purged because "enough drama", but are the rules still in-effect? Are any characters aged up still banned?

I mean if we are banning individual fetishes, where do you draw the line...

Not Safe For Life has never to my knowledge conventionally included scat/extreme fetishes. I've always heard it used to describe things like gore, death, etc.

One other issue with voting on weather fetishes are acceptable is you risk the stability of other subs. For example if people recognize that they can get fetishes tagged as nsfl and removed what happens when a conservative group comes in and targets the multiple trans communities we have here stating they are nsfl. And after that they could reasonably expand that to futas. And so on...

Lemmy REALLY needs a way to separate communities so they don't appear in all. I completely agree that people shouldn't have to see it on the front page or new, and shouldn't have to block 15 different communities to see a halfway decent front page.

I want to see this content, and I'm willing to search for it. I should be able to to seek it out but not force everyone else to see it. I'd still like it to be in this instance though. It's hard to find NSFW instances in general, let alone one that caters to one or two specific kinks.

This is especially important if people are defederating. I don't mind seeking it out, but I need to be able to seek it out.

This sets a very dangerous precedent. Banning any legal consenting type of nsfw material leads this instance down the road to pure vanilla "gonewild".

Live & let live, provided it’s all between consenting adults.

That said, I don’t want to see it. Or various other things that tend to spawn countless communities on this and other sites - eg hentai, foot fetish, assorted bodily fluids eg. I’d love a mandatory tagging or categorisation feature that lets us pre-emptively block entire categories of community without needing to hide them one by one as they pop up.

I feel like scat content is something people actively seek out if they are interested, and avoid if they are not. So, it is probably better if it was its own thing that didn't end up in the "general" nsfw community, and instead stayed under its own niche umbrella. I don't necessarily have a solution for this, but scat and various other kinds of niche content should probably either have its own community or be some sort of opt-in thing.

It's not something I personally want to see, but I can always block communities I don't want to be exposed to and I'm not aware of any legal complications, so I don't see any reason to ban it outright.

Brooo, we're so getting defederated.

Like, fr, I vote to ban it and this is why. An instance that allows gore and scat is almost definitely only going to be federated with other such instances. That stuff seriously needs its own instance, just for the safety of every other, more standard community. If scat shows in the all feed of another instance just one time, this instance will be instantly dead.

Content that most people consider extreme needs to be opt-in for viewers. Eg I don’t want to see content like this in the new/active feeds. Of course users can block it, but I don’t think that’s enough. Think if a new user joins and sees the new feed filled with content they are uncomfortable with.

Lemmy really needs a way to filter sensitive communities so content like this can be hidden away from feeds/federation unless users explicitly want to see it.

I agree it NSFL according to me, but my opinions don't count for others. I think it should be its own community and that was one thing I loved about reddit. You want gw look up gw, you want milf go to milf.

I would ban it temporarily at least until it can be added to NSFL or there is something in place like a "normie" filter. So that would be like when you first log in after creating your account lemmy would "ask" you "Do you wanna ban these boards?" And then a list of the boards with check/unchecked marks and a description of what the fetish/boards is about. So a pre-ban of boards that is undesired by most people.

That way lemmynsfw users wouldn't have peoples eyes pierced by a close up of a someone taking a dump.

I'm new to the Lemmy stuff, but if you can fliter/block stuff you don't want to see, I would say let it stay.

I think it shouldn't be banned. It's not my thing and I don't understand it at all but that doesn't mean it's harmful or unethical. It's looked down on but as long as it's educated, consenting adults, it's not the same as gore. It's not illegal. What would be the argument to have it banned? Just because it's extreme enough to be listed as nsfl instead of nsfw? Who made that call? Seems like an arbitrary line to draw. It's easy enough to just block content we don't want to see, right?

Is there no quarantine like option. A higher or different tier of NSFW. I don't really care as long as it's legal and moderated and I don't have to see shit

Allow it, but only within their defined communities, I don't wanna see scat in places like c/gonewild or other more vanilla/mainstream communities

I’m not into scat but I think it should be allowed.

I really hope that Lemmy implements better moderation and content restriction tools, and maybe CWs like Masto has. I don't think that scat is NSFL, but I also think it may be wise to restrict certain fetishes like scat, hot lunch, blood, extreme bdsm, CNC etc until there are better tools to manage what shows up in a feed. I am not judging those fetishes, and if they belong anywhere they belong here, but having that stuff appearing on the front page or the universal feed on another instance without warnings or ways to restrict that content in the feed is going to get us defederated. It's not fair, but it's still true.

If there was an opt-in switch for extreme fetishes, such that the content wasn't federated and didn't appear on your feed unless you opt-in, that might be a good technical solution.

Shit like that is not for me. It is my responsibility to block that bullshit.

Banning stuff or anything you disagree with is a dark hole.

Does anyone remember the FART HAMMER?

It’s not my cup of tea and I consider it NSFL as well but it isn’t illegal. I can block the content on my end as I have already done.

The majority should not police the fetish of some because they don't like it. If its legal, don't ban it.