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submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

The reform sweeping red America is slightly different from a voucher — it’s called an education savings account, or an ESA. In a voucher system, public funds go directly to schools. With ESAs, parents who opt out of the public school system get several thousand dollars in an account that they can use for private school tuition, homeschooling, or other education-related expenses.

But the biggest change is in who can use them: everyone. “It’s really hard to overstate how different from any kind of previous legislation these programs are.” said Liz Cohen, policy director for Georgetown University’s FutureEd think tank. “It’s not income-tested; it’s not about getting the lowest-income kids in the worst schools. Prior to three years ago, I would have bet a lot of money you would have never seen this happen.”

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Critics of these changes argue they amount to a wealth transfer to families with kids in private schools, and they fear it will result in the weakening or even the eventual privatization of public school systems. They also voice concern over the separation of church and state, since many ESA funds will go toward sending children to religious education.

For many supporters, those are features, not bugs. They characterize the new ESA laws as letting parents take “their money” — the dollars that would have been used to educate their kids — out of public schools they have no interest in using. They call this “funding students instead of systems.” Their critics say it’s the destruction of the common good.

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[-] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Holy shit, ruining your country speed run.

Public education is the great equalizer which is why the people in power and the wealthy love these programs. Education should be uniform or else you erode any meritocracy imagined or real.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

Also why they love lower and middle classes having debt from higher education. They want the system to benefit them and bind everyone else.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

That's exactly what they want. Why do you think they're rolling back child labor laws? And people cheer it on.

[-] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago

"School Choice" = segregation

[-] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Also, religious indoctrination.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

I legitimately do not understand the logic behind this.

What about people without kids? Why don't they get money off their student loans or vouchers for college or vocational classes?

I don't have a car, so can I get back my portion of the money that went to widening and resurfacing the streets? Or maybe a voucher I can use at the bike shop?

Just because I don't directly utilize a tax funded service doesn't mean I don't indirectly benefit from that service, let alone that I should be reimbursed for it in some fashion. And this shit is somehow even worse. It's taking money that could be going to a public school and giving it to psycho home schoolers or people who are already rich enough to afford private schools. It's actively making things worse.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Because the point of this program is not to actually help anyone, but rather to further dismantle the public school system. Republicans don't like paying taxes.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Educated in the right way," literally and figuratively.

[-] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago

So you wanted everyone's tax dollars to support you having your college debt paid off, but you are against your tax dollars going to someone else's education if you aren't directly benefiting?

I get you, you fucking hypocrite.

  • This proposal is total bs, though. There's so many reasons this is a shit idea.
[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Even in the reddest states, they fell short of their true Holy Grail: public money funding private school tuition, for all who want it, including middle-class and wealthy families.

This argument prevailed in Wisconsin in 1990, when Republicans joined with a few Democrats to create the nation’s first modern voucher program, for low-income kids in Milwaukee (an idea promoted by the Wisconsin-based Bradley Foundation).

“Part of my job was to actively call reporters and try to get them to take the word ‘voucher’ out of their stories,” said Charles Siler, a former lobbyist for the Goldwater Institute who has since become a critic of his onetime allies.

But the drop in Republican support shifted the previous political status quo, especially in red states, making rank-and-file GOP voters less hostile about proposals to shake up the system.

So in 2022, his final year in office, Ducey took another shot at getting the nation’s first truly universal ESA program — in which even families already sending their kids to private school could get money — off the ground in Arizona.

States could create what was essentially a new benefit for families who weren’t previously utilizing government money to educate their children, while often increasing funding and teacher pay at public schools, in “have your cake and eat it too” fashion.


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[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago
[-] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

Read the article, I dont wanna argue with people who have a shitty summary at best

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