US PUBLIC EDUCATION HISTORY CLASS: And today kids, we are going to learn about all of the native indians, the Southwest Indians, the plains indians, AND the forrest indians. Are you excited to learn about all the indians that were here, kids?
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So are y'all china simps? I'm so confused still about hexbear.
We're very clear about our politics. There's nothing to be confused about.
We're communists, anarchists, and other socialists. Hexbear is a non-sectarian left space so there is some variation on details or by degrees but we all share a revolutionary socialist perspective. That includes support for AES states. That includes educating ourselves about AES states instead of blindly accepting western propoganda.
They do appear to be China simps.
Nobody condones the Chinese surveilance Städte, which is very much like the US surveilance state. Nobody condones the Chinese liberalization of markets which make the Chinese economy resemble US capitalism in some regards. Nobody condones attacks on environmentalists, may they happen in China or anywhere else. So no, simp wouldn't be a good term here
Nobody condones the Chinese liberalization of markets which make the Chinese economy resemble US capitalism in some regards.
Criticism of the decision is valid but I definitely think there were merits to it. Despite the increases in standard of living shown in my favorite graph, many Chinese were still living in extreme poverty when the reforms were initiated. According to the World Bank, more than 850 million Chinese people have been lifted out of extreme poverty, and China's poverty rate fell from 88 percent in 1981 to 0.7 percent in 2015. And China's rise as an economic power has allowed it to help establish an alternative economic bloc, which means now other countries can have access to foreign trade while maintaining more control of domestic policy than they would through the West.
It's a complicated issue and I understand why some people consider it a deviation but I also understand the reasons for doing it and I think it's met with some degree of success. I don't think we really have an official line on it.
I wouldn't go so far as to say "no one", the simping i've seen is pretty hardcore.
I wouldn't describe China's economy as resembling US capitalism, but they've definitely gone capitalist "with Chinese characteristics". China fucking sucks at communism, these days if not in the past.
Introducing the profit motive means the tea producers in China have had to go to quantity over quality, too, and i like my tea :(
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Question to American comrades: How are the genocides of native Americans and ~~Lebensraum~~ manifest destiny being taught in American schools? What does the average American know?
I remember being taught that it was just their desire to expand to the Pacific Ocean, they believed it was their god given destiny. Big focus on that. I don't recall a lot of all of emphasis on how it impacted the natives.
I learned Christopher Columbus would chop the hands off of indians that didn't follow orders, and we wiped out 95% plus of their population
But I went to school in California. Unfortunately, other states can teach their version of history
My school rushed all the events of US history, "manifest destiny" was no exception and was merely a brief footnote, though the trail of tears was mentioned.
The only history I remember from school was that Constantinople was the capitol of the Byzantine empire. I do know that outside of school, it's generally widely understood that the colonists genocided native americans. Then government certainly doesn't try to prevent anyone from talking about Manifest Destiny being just a fancy word for murder
I just read to my parents about the Haymarket tragedy and the origins of Mayday, and how the United States freaked out that people all over the world began recognizing that day and in order to cut it off in the US they made May 1st loyalty day and used red scare shit to make sure nobody would demonstrate or do anything on May 1st here lol. They had never heard of any of it.
I hate to use the "both sides" argument but can't we all agree both governments have done some pretty awful shit to their vulnerable populations? Nothing in this world is truly black and white (except for Nazis, fuck them). It anything this should tell us not to idolize any side or else we'll be blinding ourselves to some ugly truths because we'd instinctively think the other side is merely making shit up.
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I thought the indians did teach colonists how to grow crops like corn and often shared food with them. But then large amounts of Indians would die from a plague every time the colonists visited (disease moment), and then they became suspicious that they were purposefully killing them. And then the colonists grew suspicious that the Indians were planning on killing them and then they all killed each other. Except the colonists had guns and so they won.
The natives were chill and their help was the only reason the settlers survived in a lot of cases, but uhh... the same could not be said the other way around.
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