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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't even learn about Fred Hampton till I was in my thirties and it was from the Chapo Trap House subreddit

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

I'm in my upper 20s and I can genuinely say I've learned more in the last 3 years of political unrest than in the remaining years combined

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is that they never post pictures of the students killed on Kent State

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (7 children)

shitlibs love posting that picture of the guy standing in front of the tank, as some kind of own, when if that happened in the US the cops would have gleefully run him over and then been made into a celebrity for it

Death to America

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

somebody actually did splice together the video when the Chinese tank goes around the guy, and the footage on the other side is from the BLM protests when a cop car just drives into the crowd

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Han Chinese are racial chauvinists" /r/politics libs, probably

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jeff Widener, an American photographer with the Associated Press, won a pulitzer prize for that photo, precisely because it was a still image. He also took a video, but the video tends not to be shown, because it reveals that the man wasn't run over. Then you have the fact that all the US press corps showed up right as the protests took off, a lot of dark money from NGOs and western think tanks was floating around, and then deliberate conflation of the worker riots (in which PLA troops were lynched outside the square) being confused with the mostly peaceful events inside the square. Then you have that interview with the protest leader where she was crying and basically saying she was trying to provoke a massacre so that the protesters could be seen as martyrs. She got her wish, even if the massacres didn't actually occur, since that's how the west depicts those events. Then there the highly suspicious fact that nobody talks about the fact that you had many different types of protester simultaneously. Some were opposed to liberal reforms, privatization, etc, (the workers rioting outside the square) while other protesters wanted more of that stuff (the student protesters inside the square). Then you have some racist elements mixed in with the student protests I've heard, i.e. that there were some Chinese who were protesting because they didn't like the presence of African exchange students at their universities. I don't know how true that is, but I've heard it a few times.

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[–] ZombiFrancis 17 points 1 year ago

Rachel Corrie tried that in Palestine.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Uyghur people are being GENOCIDED simply for their culture of having knifes to demonstrate their manliness (which the CIA used to agitate for terrorist attacks)"

vs

"actually US settlers were right to kill natives because they were scary and had sharp obsidian knives" :scared:

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Manifest Destiny was just a heroic and triumphant settling of new land. so-true

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Tulsa What? Kent State Who?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Also here in the UK a large majority believe that “Empire” was a nice pleasant good thing that did nothing but good to the countries we merely ’looked after’.

We call the ones that haven’t fully told us to ‘fuck off’ the ‘Commonwealth’ and hold lots of PR events like Olympic-esque games and ‘rich monarch waves at people who’s country has a GDP less than their hat largely because we stole all their resources before they could use them to develop’ tours.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Everyone also thinks the queen was just a passive tourist icon and not an actively supportive participant and cheerleader of that colonialism.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When I was in I think 2nd grade I gave a presentation on the Civil War while wearing a costume of a confederate soldier.

I was taught that factory workers in the north had it worse than slaves, that the ~~Civil War~~ War Between the States was about states' rights, that Confederate generals were noble and honorable while Union ones were incompetent drunks who relied on essentially human wave tactics and burning down cities to win. Gone With the Wind was presented to me as an accurate and unbiased depiction of history.

Growing up I definitely had a couple awkward dinner conversations with certain "history buff" relatives where I was like, "Well sure, but still, I mean, obviously we can all agree the South was wrong, right?" and suddenly people start exchanging looks kind-vladimir-ilyich

I actually got a similar reaction once for saying the Crusades were bad, Catholics are fucking wild I tell you.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I was taught that factory workers in the north had it worse than slaves

In Marx's "Theories of Surplus Value" which he never published while he was alive, but was instead compiled from his notes by Kautsky, and then later Riazanov, he called out 1700s reactionary anti-capitalists like Linguet who made these kinds of arguments.

Linguet however is not a socialist. His polemics against the bourgeois-liberal ideals of the Enlighteners, his contemporaries, against the dominion of the bourgeoisie that was then beginning, are given—half-seriously, half-ironically—a reactionary appearance. He defends [...] slavery against wage-labour.

(Linguet was guillotined by the Jacobins lol)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

(Linguet was guillotined by the Jacobins lol)

The kind French Jacobins would have guillotined everyone here kind-vladimir-ilyich gui-better

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That is not true in my case. We learned about various massacres and the trail of tears, ect. Of course that was at a time when you actually studied history.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

it really depends on what state you live in, and what decade you grew up in. Southern states were particularly prone to whitewashing US history, especially with respect to colonialism and slavery. I did learn about slavery and indigenous genocide in school, but as an adult I still find the public education I received lacking, incomplete, and still somewhat whitewashed, even if it was loads better than the McCarthyist and Daughters-Of-The-Confederacy sponsored shit I would have gotten jammed into my brain in the 1950s.

For example here are some issues I had with my liberal education in the 1990s:

  • it was pretended that the civil rights movement was only successful because of peaceful protesters like MLK and was almost ruined by totally unwholesome radicals like the Black Panthers
  • it was pretended that only the south had an economic interest in slavery. It was entirely ignored that the North relied economically on slavery indirectly.
  • the civil war was depicted as an ideological crusade by the north to end slavery. this is an inversion of the confederate myth that it was about "states rights." The main objective of the south was to preserve slavery. The main objective of the north was to preserve the union. Neither side was abolitionist, it's just that abolition became practical in 1863 as the war dragged on. Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation so he could draft black soldiers and further demoralize the south. he had never been ideologically an abolitionist, though some in his party to his left (like Thaddeus Stevens) were.
  • it was pretended that all the problems of capitalism were entirely isolated to the gilded age, and that once we got a semblance of social democratic reforms (8 hour day, overtime pay, etc.) capitalism was now "fair."
  • labor militancy was altogether ignored. it was pretended that social democratic reforms were won entirely because silver-tongued reformists demolished capitalists with logic and reason, not because shit like the battle of blair mountain happened.
  • it was depicted that indigenous genocide was mostly a matter of "both sides" being "equally mean." i.e. that manifest destiny was mostly colonizers just protecting themselves from raids or something
  • zero mention of CIA coups or any of the stuff declassified in the church committee
  • zero mention of US supporting dictators abroad
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Texas dictates what most states' textbooks are. Every American child grows up learning a lot of bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

In my history classes, it was like black folks were a footnote until you get to the lead up to the Civil War. Then after the Civil War they disappear from the stage again until the civil rights movement.

I did have a lib teacher who thought it was super important to teach us about Native American society and culture, even if he didn’t cover the genocide part as much as he could have.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One way to look at this is comparing the western media blitz every year around the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square incident to annual western coverage of any of our many, many domestic atrocities.

We get an annual top-line reminder of how irredeemably evil China is because of a 30-year-old event that even U.S. journalism schools admit we misrepresent. But besides token coverage of "it's X holiday," or maybe some stories about "should we even recognize X as a holiday" (see the Columbus Day/Indigenous People's Day discourse), there is precious little media reminding us of any of our own original sins. Instead, as you note, it's relegated to history classes, which many Americans never seriously engage with and most Americans never revisit again.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you tankies agree that Tiananmen Square massacre happened? Good job

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (25 children)
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