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I normally don't drink beer or ale because I find it too bitter. I have no problems with malt though (I actually think it's pretty interesting). Would I be correct in thinking that unhopped beer is less bitter?

Also does anyone have any advice for brewing my first ale? I have made fruit wine, mead, and cider before but never beer. I have some kveik yeast and spray malt from other brews that I can use so I am thinking of using that. The closest I have gotten to brewing ale or beer is making bochet braggot so any help is appreciated.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would I be correct in thinking that unhopped beer is less bitter?

Yes, the bitterness comes almost exclusively from the hops. More specifically, high temperatures cause isomerization of hop oils which contributes to the perception of bitter. The longer you boil, the more bitterness you’ll achieve. Inversely, the less time at high temperatures the hops remain, the less bitter the beer will be. To reduce bitterness (and to increase aroma + juiciness) brewers will add hops near the end of the boil, or even after as the wort is cooling down.

Bitterness from hops is measured in IBUs. A beer with 10 IBU or less is not bitter, 50 is often pale ale / IPA territory and fairly bitter; 100 would be a highly bitter IPA. There are many calculators that will help you estimate IBUs. Note that IBUs are only the scientific measurement of how bitter the beer should be, but the perceived bitterness may be different if the beer is sweet, for example.

You can also add hops at the end of fermentation. This is called dry hopping and will only contribute to aroma and juiciness, and will not introduce any true bitterness. There are modern IPAs out there that are 0 IBU: they only use hops in dry hopping.

Bitterness can also be contributed by roasted malts, where very dark malts, depending on how they’re used can also taste bitter (think bitter chocolate or coffee).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The other thing to consider with bitterness is that bitterness presents differently depending on the other components of the beer, such as the SG:IBU ratio (or IMO the more accurate FG:IBU ratio) - the sweetness of the beer will counteract the bitterness, leading to the beer tasting less bitter or more bitter, even when at the same IBU.

OP, If it is the not the hops bitterness that is specifically unpalatable for you, but the hops flavours, you might be interested in Gruit, as it replaces the hops with herbs for the bittering component, replacing grass, pine and/or resinous bitter notes with spice at the end of the palate, or a Graf, which combines beer with cider, where the Malic Acid in the apples helps to balance the sweetness of the beer, reducing the amount of hops bitterness needed. You could even combine these two styles, making a spiced apple juice beer that does not use any hops to balance the grain sweetness at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is an amazing bit of advice that every home brewer needs to understand. IBU only tells part of the story, and you have to understand that there are other factors that go into perceived bitterness. Many of your darker beers have higher IBU values, but the non-fermentable sugar and the other roast flavors counter the hop bitterness. Adjuncts like lactose can also smooth out some of the sharper hop notes (again, non-fermentable sugars). I found a guide that shows ibu ranges for a bunch of styles and you can see that a lot of heavier beers are rather high in IBU even though you'd never call the style "bitter" or "hoppy"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I have a little bit of experience with brewing beer, and in that experience the big thing that struck me was the fact that the process is way faster than when I was making wine. Like, I could basically let the wine sit there and do its thing for a very long time and there was no real negative consequence, but I had to get the timing just right for beer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Lokals around here brew a sweet malt beer with no hops. They experiment with smokey flavors for a more whisky kind of taste.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cider and mead are (usually) unhopped and therefore not bitter. Many beers will list their bitterness as IBU. An IBU below fifteen will be not very bitter.

If you are making a beer, pick a recipe with a low IBU, or use less hops, a hop with lower alpha acid, or with less boil time. Hops does play a role in slowing bacterial growth and balancing the sweetness, so I'd hesitate to take a recipe and just not use hops.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate to tell you this but unhopped beers are older than hopped ones. It's called gruit beer. I might aim for something like that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes. And I'd wager a gruit recipe is not just going to be malt and yeast.