Im not worried about how the average pedestrian acts. Its totally the average driver.
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Life is only shades of gray it’s not a marvel movie with clear cut Good and Bad
Every single thing anyone says or does is in self-interest.
Like, I have almost never witnessed anything contrary to it.
You mean.. mothers breastfeeding feeding their children? You mean men who find big rocks and throw them into water from heights to make a big splash? Do you mean people who donate their organs to other people? Do you mean the many artists, scientists, teachers, and basically everyone else that gets their ass out of bed every day to then put a smile on their face for other people, despite feeling existential despair inside because the last shred of reason for being has been invested in someone or something else, so they keep moving? Robin Williams?
I think we have very different ideas of what self-interest is. Namely, I think that you have confused the idea that one must suffer, or at least feel nothing, or it's not altruistic enough. That one should not enjoy acts of love, kindness, caring, giving, art, exploration... or they're secretly solipsistic. This isn't the condemnation of the world you think it is. This feels like a projection of an internal insecurity onto the greater portion of humanity.
I think most people have been guilty of thinking this at some point. Rather than feel threatened by my words or that I'm being critical of you and only you, I would ask that you do what I did when I once thought this very thought... think on if you're really willing to live the rest of your lived experience with this thought at the forefront. Not everyone gets this one right, but it could have consequences on your ability to actually 'enjoy' another human being without needing something from them to do so.
No one can look into someone else's soul and divine their intentions. IMO it's most likely that people's internal states are a mixture of various emotions and intentions when they are doing a gesture like you've given examples of, probably not all of them coherent with one another.
It seems to me that it's more a matter of perspective and you can choose to ascribe self-interest or choose to ascribe altruism but in both cases you are projecting, since it's just unknowable.
I think free software is quite a nice case study if you want to discuss it in a relatively emotion free context. Organ donation has a lot of other moral "baggage" around it as an issue. These people are giving up their valuable skills and time to create something which is for the benefit of others. Contributors also get to put it on their CV and get status in an online community. Often the more self-interested people drop out quite quickly and the ones who want to support their community stick around longer.
That's the thing, though. I don't need to get lost in the nuance and come out of the other side as a 'realist' or a cynic. The cold calculation of incalculation.. the idea that because we are not perfect judges, we should not judge at all, is sinister enough that it even has a meme: Letting perfect be the enemy of good.
When I do selfless acts - and I believe I have, if my act is seen as an act to my own benefit or with ulterior motive: I feel harmed and wish to withdraw. Why would I reason to live with the burden of seeing the world as so purely black and white that the only good that can come from it is beyond my recognition; because I too must be black and white or risk being an imperfect judge?
I'm not going to tell someone that their willingness to donate a kidney is anything less than altruistic just because there's 'emotional baggage' or they don't self ascribe properly.. I'm simply willing to accept it as a good thing.
Just because the future is unknowable doesn't relieve me of the burden or responsibility of making active choices that I feel make a positive difference, even if I can't foresee the outcomes. Should the man that saved Hitler's life from a crowd of angry people feel responsible for everything that Hitler did after the fact? Can I now cynically use that thought to help no one at all, so that I don't run the risk of saving the next Hitler? Yet do these same cynics that claim humans only work in self interest not go on to complain that so many are passive bystanders to horrific events? It's self defeating. I'd rather not be a bystander, because I feel a sense of duty to not be an enabler.
Finally, I don't have a need to sanitize my discussions from all emotions. I don't think that's productive so long as the emotions are genuine and an honest reflection of my state of being.
A sincere thank you for your response. I hope my response is received as well as I intend.
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That my abusive mother had 3 kids by a previous marriage. She gave up full custody so she could keep the (shitty, old) house. I learned this when I was 18 or 19.