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I don't remember what caused the Voat's origin, except it involved Reddit HQ. And then it went under in 2020.

What's different about this time and with Lemmy to make it a feasible alternative to Reddit? Is it random chance?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (15 children)

There was one Voat. When the one Voat goes bust, Voat goes bust. Like any enterprise, it's failure can be attributed, at least in part, to poor management.

There are many Lemmy's. If one Lemmy collapses, another Lemmy can take its place. The individual instances might be less stable than a centralized social media site, like Voat was, but when federated the whole unit is more resilient than centralized social media.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yep, worst case some big lemmy communities go bust, but then people can readily just go to other instances.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The problem was that Voat wanted to be something like Truth Social. Basically, a right-wing version of Reddit. That simply wouldn't work, not even as a distant second.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In the past, Reddit alternatives pretty much existed only for the least savory people (i.e. nazis)

Now Reddit has caused an exodus of good users, a bit different.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No, because Lemmy is not a platform, its a software that can be run on a server, and that server running the code is called an instance. The instance is where the platform is. An instance can communicate with other instances, which is called federation. Instances that are deemed problematic by another instance owner can become "defederated" meaning communication is cut off. One well known instance being defederated is lemmygrad.ml, which is an instance that promotes authoritarian-left political views. Another instance is exploding-heads.com (don't know if I spelt it correctly, I don't care), which has far-right content.

TLDR: Lemmy is not a singular platform, but an interconnected network of servers (instances). Lemmy will not "die" anytime soon, but certain instances can die.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think due to the decentralised and open source nature, it‘s much better and even if some instances die the project persists. I‘m in IT and it looks like a solid project which has me excited and thinking about how I could contribute. My feelings coming here were also hope for better and a freedom from corporations.

Voat was just another corporation out to make money off hate I guess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Voat did a couple of things wrong, first they Atko attempted to attract people to his site during the Pao thing, people were looking for an alternative and Atko presented his site as faster as it's written in C#, and has things to prevent powermods by having mod limits and brigading by having minimum points to comment.

What that means is that the normal people who went there to like things are turned off by the lack of content and went back to reddit, so the only one who stayed are the ones who are there to not like things(to put it lightly), and they get louder because they posted more about the things they not like, and since there is a barrier to entry, they just got more and more people who were there to not like things and pushed out all the original nice communities that were on voat, which turned the site into only a place for people to not like things.

So as long as we have people who like things and tell the people who are here to solely not like things to leave, it should be fine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Voat was a racist, fascist hell-hole where the most terminally-online and unlikeable people on the internet were corralled together. It was the social equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel.

Lemmy seems to be insulated from Voat's fate because it was a hard left-turn in the face of a platform implosion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

holy shit i remember voat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh my god I forgot voat existed. Isn't that a far right hell hole now?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The people who left reddit for voat where those whose subreddits were banned, such as farpeoplehate and shit. Niche communities.

With lemmy the migration is from a much wider number of communities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

People seem super jazzed about the decentralized nature of Lemmy and other stuff in the “fediverse”. I don’t really understand how it works but it seems cool that Lemmy isn’t a single company/website. Can’t have a power tripping CEO or a board that panders to shareholders that way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Need to be careful though; just like with the web and email, it can have standards capture where a few corporations control the standard and the main clients used to access the service.

And just like Gopher, Lemmy could conceivably just fade away via neglect.

Personally, I’d love to see someone create an ActivityPub interface for Gopher so it could have its overdue resurgence :D

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Voat was a replica of Reddit in design. One centralized server. We would have ended up in the same crappy place even if that were a success because at some point they would have wanted to monetize it also.

You have to do some reading and learn about the technology behind Lemmy and federation to understand.

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