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This Radical New Metal from Outer Space Could Transform Everything—from Electric Vehicles to Nuclear Submarines::Two high-profile labs are on the verge mass produce a metal only found in space—tetrantaenite. That could revolutionize how how we make everything—from phones to nuclear subs.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The title is misleading.

In the article it says that it is a new way to produce a known alloy of known metals.

It is not very new, but known for >50 years.

It is not a new metal.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don’t think it’s misleading. Tetrataenite is made up of known, common, metals but the method to produce the same exact product as found from space has not been done yet.

If it’s accomplished then the US, and in turn rest of the world, can stop relying on China for rare earth metals. This new alloy can replace the magnetic rare earth material the world needs and if it happens will be a big step forward from relying on a sole country that’s readying to slow or possibly stop supplying in the coming years.

Also, creating this alloy would be cleaner and more environmentally friendly than current mining in Mongolia that’s poisoning the land.

Quoting from the article:

“Tetrataenite can mitigate those issues. Its base metals, iron and nickel, are two of the most abundant metals on earth. They’re the standard elements in stainless steel, for example. Both are cheaper and easier to extract from the earth than rare earths, with less severe environmental repercussions.

Tetrataenite might also allow producers to bypass a crucial processing stage required to purify the metals after they’re separated from other minerals at the mine. That step is done almost entirely in China, which controls 87 percent of worldwide rare-earth processing. China so dominates the mining and processing of rare earths that in 2018, the U.S. Congress ordered the Pentagon to stop purchasing neodymium magnets made in China. Last year, several U.S. senators proposed further legislation that would prevent any defense contractors from sourcing any rare earths from China by 2026.

If we are in a confrontation with Beijing, they can stop the supply,” says the Atlantic Council’s Ariel Cohen, who notes that the U.S. currently imports 95 percent of its rare-earth compounds and magnets. “The whole supply chain has to be beefed up in the U.S.,” he says. “So if overall the process [for tetrataenite] is economical and safer or environmentally better, then why not?”

Underscoring the stakes, the U.S. Department of Defense gave Mountain Pass a $35 million grant in 2022 so that it could begin processing rare earths in California, bypassing China completely. That’s in addition to $9.6 million the Pentagon provided in 2020 to bolster the mine’s output. MP Materials is also constructing a manufacturing facility in Fort Worth, Texas, that it says will churn out enough permanent magnets laden with rare earths by 2025 to power 500,000 electric vehicle motors—a quantity that could power every new electric vehicle bought in the country.

One of their biggest obstacles is finding a way to deal with temperatures. At temperatures above several hundred degrees, iron and nickel atoms like to move around. (This is what lent meteoric iron its malleability, making it popular among earlier societies and dagger-wielding Egyptian pharaohs.) But as alloys of iron and nickel cool down, the atoms inside become less mobile, and therefore less likely to arrange themselves into the tetragonal structure that creates magnetic tetrataenite. Manufacturing the material on a large scale will require researchers to dramatically speed up how atoms of iron and nickel arrange themselves into that stable tetragonal structure and remain locked in place as the metals cool to ambient temperatures.

That’s only half the challenge. Permanent magnets made of rare earths must withstand high temperatures, sometimes above 300 degrees Fahrenheit in electric-vehicle motors, for instance. But heating tetrataenite to those levels breaks down the bonds between atoms, collapsing the tetragonal structure that gives the material its impressive magnetic properties.

The real challenge is not in making the tetragonal or getting the atoms arranged the way you want them, but keeping them in that state while you go about working in the real world,” Lograsso says.“

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of these miracle materials have finicky molecular structures. It's a problem with electric batteries as well. I'm a chemist and everytime I think of material science I think there is something limiting about it, it can only go so far and you can only do so much, so any time I hear of some new super material I'm skeptical. Always happy to be proven wrong though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

You’re correct and it’s yet to be shown if the alloy will work as hoped. My post was only to help show it’s not a misleading title.

It may not ever work properly as a rare earth metal replacement but nothing about the title promises that. Just that it could and it’s being worked on. Something to be hopeful for but that’s all for now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

what kind of logic is this

Graphene was discovered in 1962, nuclear fusion was discovered in the 1920s... knowing a thing exists doesn't mean you can reliably replicate it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

New metal just dropped. Literally. Out of the fuckin' sky, bro.

[–] Piemanding 4 points 1 year ago

idk what metal this is, but I'm assuming it's Iridium.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

From a lacerated sky

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

just like those graphene batteries.

should be out any day right..?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are 5 or 6 of these battery technologies now. The media reports on the really great new power density or efficiency or whatever. Then in the last paragraph they toss in, "Right now, of course, they cost the equivalent of $60 per AA battery, but we're sure that's fine."

We are left counting on these unlikely breakthroughs having a second breakthrough that brings the price down 2+ orders of magnitude.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read like 5 years ago that we were, any minute now, entering Moore’s Law for batteries.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

never closer

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

If someone out there is in high school and trying to decide what to study in college, take a very serious look at chemistry, chemical engineering, material science and similar fields. A whole lot of the problems we face today are really dependent on solving chemistry/material-related issues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kerfuffle 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Replacement of neodymium with iron and nickel in magents is kinda huge

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah. The article tried to sensationalize it and people missed the point.