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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 hours ago

ITT: People who looked at some random headline, didn't bother looking further and assumed they knew everything.

It's a stupid headline. These tanks, are to directly affect air polution/quality in urban areas. Trees are terrible at that. The microalgae is 10-50x more effective in cleaning the air.

They aren't going to rip out trees for these. It would have taken you 10 seconds to find the source of the image and the article from 3 years ago to find out, the social media post was misleading. You spent more time making incorrect and wild accusations.

[–] MrsDoyle 40 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I discovered when I joined a volunteer litter-picking group in my town that some people really hate trees. And I must emphasise HATE. They hate the shade they cast in summer, the way the leaves block the all-important View. They hate the fallen leaves in autumn. They hate the bare branches in winter. They hate the risk of branches falling in storms. They hate the racket the birds make. I was astonished - it never occurred to me that people would feel so strongly.

Turns out I'm a bloody tree-hugging extremist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 seconds ago

Yeah trees are assholes. They always ring my doorbell trying to sell me the book of Gaia. Constantly telling me "you can't smoke here, sir". There's a tree behind my house who constantly wears the same glasses as me. Whenever I buy new ones, a day later this tree has the same. He's constantly mocking me for no reason.

I think all trees should be cut down and burned. Algae never complain, are always kind and always say "good day sir" when you walk by.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

That's just unhinged. The trees are the view.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago

The problem with trees in an urban setting is trees have roots, and these cause issues. The can damage pipes and other underground objects. And many trees that are designed to not have these issues, end up with stunted/damaged roots which severely effects the trees growth. Planting trees in urban settings take quite a lot of pre-planning, and aren't drop in solutions, and if the areas weren't originally designed with trees in mind, you are likely to cause more problems than solutions.

https://greenblue.com/gb/avoid-root-heave-pavement-damage-caused-urban-trees/ https://tiptoptreeandgroundcare.co.uk/2025/01/06/tree-roots-in-urban-spaces/

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Trees don’t attract VC funding the way some dumb new invention does.

I guess this could be useful in places trees don’t fit but I think there are other simpler solutions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

useful in places trees don’t fit

I have a tree sitting in a pot on my desk.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Your potted tree isn’t a tree in the sense that I’m talking about. The environmental services trees provide are all based on size and so are predominantly provided by larger trees. Cities usually avoid planting these under electrical wires and in smaller tree basins to avoid damage to infrastructure. So practically, there are many urban locations where big trees won’t fit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Are you discriminating because lil' tree is lil'? /s

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

People really like vandalizing trees, diseases exist, and they are less efficient carbon sinks

Like how we found it’s better to feed cattle seaweed than grass but nobody wants to because it’s different

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Carbon sinks? Dude, people are planting trees in cities for the shade.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

Good thing people don't like to vandalize glass.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Trees don’t create shareholder profits

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

useless pests they are. who cares that they provide free shade, free oxygen, free beauty for all to enjoy. Fucking commies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

I agree trees are commies. Must be why Trump is going to clear cut several hundred million acres of the last remaining old growth forests …because they’re full of commie trees

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

What happens when one of these breaks and drains into the sewer system? Algae blooms cause noxious odors and would proliferate quickly in the nitrogen-rich environment of human waste water, potentially building up as clogs in the sewer lines. And if the system drains into a natural body of water, the algae can have devastating toxic effects on the natural wildlife. If it doesn't drain and instead gets recycled, then the water treatment process becomes much more difficult and expensive.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (3 children)

I guess the "problem" with trees is obvious: it takes decades for them to produce the desired cooling effect in urban areas. You plant a dozen young trees today, you can begin to reap the cooldown 10 years later at best. Also, they need a lot if water, and many of them just don't make it - urban surroundings are just much hotter and more stressful (smog, salt...) then standing with other trees in a forest. I fail to see though how these artificial "trees" provide any kind of benefit at all.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The amount of water required is trivial compared to most other water uses. Especially if correct species are selected.

[–] MrsDoyle 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The London plane tree is particularly suitable for urban areas, it's resistant to air pollution.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

True, but unfortunately, this species is way over-planted in many cities. I would not recommend them unless they happen to be uncommon in your local area. Urban forests need to be as diverse as possible to resist the constant barrage of pests and diseases being introduced by global trade.

In California we have a relatively new pest called shot-hole borers which are killing off many of the London planes, so we’re scrambling to plant other species that can resist them.

Also, resistance to air pollution isn’t as crucial as it once was due to better emissions technologies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Also, resistance to air pollution isn’t as crucial as it once was due to better emissions technologies.

Tell that to the recently defunded EPA...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

The roots destroy sewer systems etc too. There's a bike path I take to work where the pavement is all distorted by the roots, making it very unsafe, but I still prefer that the trees are there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

I think the problem is putting them in those dumb tanks where a tree would be, as if to say "do this instead". The principle would be fine if they got a bit more creative with it and played to its strengths, e.g. if you make a train platform out of it, or the railings of an overpass, or the external wall panels of buildings etc.

Ofc OOP didn't actually provide a source so we've no idea what the creators were actually thinking...

[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

This is missing out on likely the most important part of trees in urban areas. Shade. They give you a cooler place to stand or walk through.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 hours ago

No standing or sitting allowed. Resume consumerism!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

My condo complex is easily 5 degrees cooler than the rest of my city cause we’re covered in trees. It’s always noticeable when you leave the complex and go across the road

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

even your trees will be slop. nice.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I recently learned that there's a group dedicated to planting 1000 trees in the city of Trenton, NJ, USA. I'm really glad to see a city working to bring back a little nature!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

In Vienna, Austria, Europe, every tree removed has to be replaced with a new as per regulation

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

The problem even with that is that an old, standing tree and a young one are very different in their ability to provide the services we seek from them.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

"Why do you say this is stupid? You're so negative." Run of the mill conformist toxic optimist tech bro dildo

[–] [email protected] 82 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (12 children)

Like I always think that people don’t get one thing about trees in a city. There purpose is is not about co2. The co2 reduction of city trees is neglectable. The reason you need them in a city is temperature regulation, shade, air quality, mood, the local eco system and maybe solidifying unsealed ground. Putting these tanks in a city is laughably inefficient w.r.t. co2 conversion if you compare this to any effort to do this in instustrial capacity ( which is is also still laughably inefficient)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

A few reasons: Trees need a lot of space and the space underneath a sidewalk isn't enough for long term life. They can die after like 30 years? This is tree dependent and location dependent.

Tree roots can destroy sidewalks making it harder for people to go over them. (Think people in wheel chairs)

Liability in terms of damage (have you seen trees after a storm?)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Sounds like we need to remove the need for sidewalks. Rip up all the roads in the city and replace them with green space. Problem solved

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 hours ago

I disagree. Pavement is valuable to pedestrians, cyclists, emergency and service vehicles, and the disabled. While it's important to preserve nature as much as possible, some urbanisation is also a good thing. That said, I'm not sure algae tanks would be necessary in areas where huge tracts of land aren't dedicated to parking. I can't really think of where my city would benefit from them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yes to ripping up roads for greenspace, not to removing sidewalks too.

Make the citu green and walkable, and you solve so many problems in one go

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (13 children)

While I don't want to spoil the joke (but I will) and I hate techno-optimist solutions that displace actual solutions for our biosphere as much as the next person: supposedly, Belgrade is such a dense concrete hell that trees aren't viable solution (at least in the short term).

There is some rumbling that liquid trees are not the solution to the real problems caused by large-scale deforestation, nor does it reduce erosion or enrich the soil. However, much of this wrath is misplaced as Liquid tree designers say that it was not made as a replacement for trees but was designed to work in areas where growing trees would be non-viable. Initiatives like Trillion Trees are laudable, but there is something to be said for the true utility of this tiny bioreactor. The fact that they can capture useful amounts of carbon dioxide from day one is another benefit for them. Such bioreactors are expected to become widespread in urban areas around the world as the planet battles rising carbon levels in the atmosphere.

Source

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago

They seem to be focusing on CO2. Trees in cities are going to capture a negligible amount of CO2 and for relatively high cost versus doing things outside a city. The point of trees in cities is shade and looking nice (good for mental health). Liquid trees solve neither of those.

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