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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Norway has been considered to be super-expensive among tourists and others looking in from abroad. However, Norwegians going to the US really have to mind their spending nowadays, especially when eating out. Forcing employees to rely on tips to get above slave wage is generally not a thing in Europe, so the price we see on the menu is what we expect to pay.

If you go to a gas station near an airport in Western Norway, you can get a massive 300g burger (3/4 lb) with added cheese and bacon for about 200 kroner, which is $19. If you want something that normal people can finish, a regular 150g cheeseburger is about $12. A McDonald’s double cheeseburger is 43 kroner, or $4.12. If you order a burger at a restaurant or a pub, you’ll probably be spending about $25 for a bacon cheeseburger with included fries. You’re not expected to tip in Norway.

Considering that the prices Americans here refer to don’t include taxes and tips, I’m actually pretty sure it would be more expensive to eat out in the US than in Norway, and average pay for a waiter/waitress here is about $41 000 per year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Forcing employees to rely on tips to get above slave wage is generally not a thing in Europe

It is in England (which while not in the EU, it is in Europe). And unlike the US, they will try to guilt you into a big auto tip.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I've lived in London for seven years, never felt there was pressure or expectations of tips, though there were options to tip on the card terminal occasionally. But yes, wages in London are shit (unless you're a banker), so if I could afford to leave 50p in the pub jar, I would.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here in Japan, a chain has a cheese burger with beef from Kobe, caramelized onions, and gravy made from the drippings for 7.50USD Half that if you want it with regular beef.

I investigated why things are so cheap and businesses can have the weirdest hours (there's a bar in Tokyo that's only open for 5 hours a week on fridays), they tax unused commercial property (for certain definitions of unused, like in rural areas just throwing some gravel down and letting your neighbor park there for a few bucks can be enough to dodge the tax), so companies offer extremely competitive rates to get businesses in. The .4% interest rate and very cheap remodeling costs (except plumbers for some reason) serve to keep startup more accessible, so places don't have to be super profitable to exist. The taxes work in conjunction with the interest rates to keep banks and capital firms from just buying everything up with the free money to establish a local monopoly and drive up prices. There's probably other things driving down home and commercial property costs, it's mindboggling to see a 3 floor+attic, 800sqft/floor building in the center of a city with 10 million people and have the business owner say he's renting it because the owner wanted 2.5m to buy the whole thing, and that was too much.

I know China manages to keep commercial property somewhat cheap by having 5 year plans and SoEs/universities guarantee the commercial sectors have the inputs such as steel, concrete, and skilled labor they'll need at a specific price point, but I've never managed to talk to someone about tax policies and the like.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Uhg. All of the commercial real estate in the US is mortgaged and the owners just roll it over continuously - allowing the banks to set policy in contract to not reduce the $/sqft of commercial real estate. So everything here is just empty and the owners can write off the empty stores as losses on their taxes to offset the taxes from their profits.

There are so many things that can be done to fix the US but they chose to triple-down on the approaches that broke everything. Sigh. I'm really happy to hear Japan figured out the right balance. It'd be amazing if those best practices could be imported but I'm sure they'll start tarriffing ideas soon too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

people used to think I was on crazy pills because I for some reason used to point to 2008 as my favorite nostalgia year.

Nothing particularly major happened with mine, no sports team championship, no graduation, no first date, nothing like that, and my family was for the most part, well insulated from the financial crisis, we lived in a country that was less impacted anyway

2008 was just another year in the 2000s, I only remember it so well because of the small little gaming communities I had joined online when I was 16, Still talk to and hang out with them today at 32.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Pave Flavortown, put up a parking lot.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

When Bob's Burgers started airing the burger of the day was $5.95. This used to be a reasonable price for a burger.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Gentrification came for flavortown.

Rent is now $4000/mth. No loitering.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

LOL where can you find $4k/month? My dentist said her office rent in W. Seattle was $11k/mo.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For commercial rent that nearly seems reasonable. Especially considering what they're charging for dentistry, that's like... 3 people without insurance? πŸ₯²

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Coming out of left field here, but… scaling beef production is not very sustainable?

Like, unless it’s a rare treat, I feel like beef has to go artificial or prices keep going up, even if wealth distribution is worked out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

True, to an extent. But the price of a pound of hamburger at the grocery store has gone up relatively equal to inflation.

In a lot of places, minimum wage has raise 3x to when it originally was. But they're paying this wage bumps off and just a handful of sales.

Commercial real estate is probably up about 3x from where it was when we were eating $4.75 bodacious bacon cheeseburgers from Roy Rogers

I think, pretty much, we're looking at disproportionately high real estate costs and greed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't neglect the fact that commercial real estate owners will arbitrarily jack rent 3x year over year. It's basically the reason that established restaurants go out of business. Almost every restaurant that is over 20 years old owns their building.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it's ~~turtles~~ greed all-the-way down.

The commercial real estate market, of all things, should be able to self-regulate. A property sitting empty is losing them tax money, get too many shuttered businesses together and the property value drops.

Few things market-correct in these late-day capitalism hellscapes, but commercial property either corrects or gets bulldozed and bought by someone who corrects (and maybe rezones) it. Sometimes it just takes a decade or so.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I mean, I agree, but beef consumption in the US has dropped in the past 20 years. And you can find similar price stories for all meal prices, regardless of ingredients.

[–] Texas_Hangover 10 points 2 days ago

Carl's Jr. $5 Burger used to mock this bullshit. It cost $3 and it was fucking amazing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

$17 for a burger, even if it really did look like the picture, which we all know it doesn't, is way too much. No, thank you.

I pay $12/day to feed myself. I make all of my own meals at home, I haven't eaten out since the pandemic. I formed the habit, and just kept cooking at home as prices got ridiculous. My diet is excellent, mostly fresh vegetables, and organic chicken.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

It,s still "cheap" for what goes into producing a beef patty. Impossible meat is just as expensive and you don't have to feed and care and torture an animal to produce it.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

In Pulp Fiction (1994) John Travolta's character freaks out over the "5$ milkshake".

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 3 days ago (5 children)

No problem, as salaries also trippled in that time

Tap for spoiler/s

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The CEO's, shareholders and the 1% need to make more! There is no fucking way I am going to spend $17.00 for a fucking cheeseburger.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

Yup. As soon as I see a fancy toothpick in the picture, I know I should just leave.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago

One of my parents said that steaks were 35 cents when they were kids.

I am not looking forward to my Walmart cheese & breadstick snacks costing $70 bucks for a set of five.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

A "craft burger" with fries is 15€ in Germany. And normal burger meal is like half that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Burgers are fine-dining now. Still trying to find cheap food that's nutritious and doesn't contain too much fiber for medical reasons. Eventually that will be fine dining prices too.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

We're not in flavor town anymore, Toto.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Guess what will happen to food prices in the US when farmers cannot exploit cheap migrants anymore...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

Not to worry - they'll be replaced with children and prisoners and robots.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Wow, so I did tha math. The official inflation rate factors up to just over 1.5 (50% increase) over the past 16 years. But this meme suggests a factor of 3.58!!! (258% increase)

[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The official inflation rate doesn't include food or energy. It's ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 days ago

Food and products have 2.3x'd since just before covid started.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The most funny thing was the "I can't eat an iPad" reply, when someone from the Fed tried to explain these mental gymnastics

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704893604576199113452719274

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

https://archive.is/k6hU4

For those who don't have a plugin to bypass WSJ paywall

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Looking at beef in particular, a pound of ground beef has gone up from $2.10/lb in 2008 to $6.20 in 2025.

Chicken breast, on the other hand, has gone from $3.50/lb to about $4.10.

Beef has been getting more expensive faster than inflation basically my whole life, while stuff like chicken, milk, and eggs have been volatile, jumping up and down at times, and stuff like rice and flour have long periods of stability with the occasional big permanent jump.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago (2 children)

AI burger meat is my favorite.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

Being on a food TV show and becoming slightly famous therefor allows you to increase your prices and still keep all the seats filled. The best burger place near me has increased to $10 from $5 over roughly the same time period, in keeping with the increase in beef prices over that time.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do we really not see that being on that show might have something to do with that?

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