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Mildly Infuriating

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It's not even "Incognito" (what a misnomer too), this is a Gecko-based browser

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like for straw poll it's more valid, they probably do it to try and avoid people voting more than once.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A bit yes, but any technique like that can be used to fingerprint and deanonymize users.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, but that's the only way you can trust electronic voting, by removing anonymity

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"One vote per IP-address" - So they already tackled the problem that people can vote more then once.

Straight-up asshole design.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's also asshole design. Most people are behind some form of nat. It's especially egregious for customers of ISPs who use CGNAT.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly what I think. They also block VPNs and such.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I mean, of all sites, polls make the most sense to require cookies to avoid duplicate votes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wouldn't the better solution be to keep a log of previous client IPs, on the server side? Sure, VPN will circumvent it, but it's much easier for me to clear a cookie 100 times then to connect to 100 different VPNs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The EU has made logging IP addresses generally illegal.

[–] wander1236 2 points 1 year ago

IP blocking would be really bad if the poll is for students staying in dorms at a university or for people on the same cell carrier.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'll look into that. I believe web sites shouldn't have any way to detect private mode, right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder if it tries to save a cookie then read it back? I don't really know how any of this works but that sounds like a way to detect it that's fairly infallible.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Writing a cookie and reading it back should work just fine even in incognito mode. It just gets deleted once incognito is closed.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not pointless, it's so they can track you.

what a misnomer too

It's crazy how many people think "incognito mode" prevents people from seeing what websites they are visiting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

yeah, it's for buying secret Christmas presents for your wife

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cookies are not evil per se... but data mining companies made them like that.

I'm administrating an online store and cookies are responsible for the customer's cart, plus their user session / logged in state.

As an admin I adhere to the "golden rule", thus there are no creepy trackers on store. I don't like them and I don't want customers to face the same thing on websites that I manage.

That said, cookies are needed for user session & fraud protection. Instead of nuking cookies we shall kick the trackers out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea but all that kind of functionality can work with (permanent) private mode as well. I don't use a lot of web services so I can log in when I need or make a pwa like with Lemmy here.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's an extension that allows you to hide incognito mode from websites called Hide Private Mode I'm not sure why browsers don't do this by default (maybe it's some funny compliance thing) it would greatly improve privacy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Thx. It's weird, but I guess that's now part of Firefox now, to be hypocrites.

Also why the heck does the browser need to ping Google every time I launch a private session? I can't even fathom a reasonable answer.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's when I stop giving them traffic. There's far too many alternatives to do otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Enter.

"NOPE"

clicks back

And proceed to chose next search result.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Sites like this I just close the tab and use uBlacklist to hide them from any search results.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It kind of makes sense for strawpoll, because without some sort of cookies, they wouldn't know if the same person is voting multiple times. But they should say something like 'incognito mode makes the votes inaccurate, please visit on normal mode'

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One vote per IP-Address allowed.

They already have your IP. "Incognito" mode doesn't change that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That does have the consequence of allowing only one person to vote per public IP, which on large networks may correspond to quite a lot of users.

That probably doesn't matter much for a simple internet straw poll, but I can imagine situations where IP-based uniqueness isn't reliable enough.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

What if you have multiple people voting from the same place/public IP?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

When I go to a site, and they do it, I avoid it at all the costs or never come back!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that Firefox Focus? Because if yes, them that counts as "incognito mode" too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's IceRaven, but I have it set to permanent private mode. I dont need to deal with cookies of every shitty site.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Honestly people should just set there browser to clear cookies on close

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Can't say I like logging into all of my accounts (most of which gave 2FA as well) 3 times a day

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any websites that doesn't just work with a simple ad blocker or still has ads I just close and never return.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Oops! Looks like you're using an adblocker! Please pay a subscription!"

Oops looks like I'm gonna check the comments for someone who pasted your article for free!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I see that i directly close the thing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I kind of understand this one though, 99% of the time stuff like this is just bullshit. But this is an effort to stop users from voting multiple times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Unless I'm really desperate for their content, that's when I kill the tab. The internet is vast, and I can probably find what I'm looking for elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You can install the Ghostery add-on on Firefox mobile to prevent cookies and trackers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

For such things, I have a script that creates a brand new temporary Firefox profile and deletes it immediately after closing the browser.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I agree mildly infuriating "pointless cookies" really - they make their money from advertising and tracking data, so they've made a choice.

Interestingly, a choice that I'm pretty sure would fall foul of GDPR in Europe - but a choice.

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