Why are people so against DDG here? Just wondering because I use it and think it’s fine
this post was submitted on 24 Aug 2023
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US-based meaning 3 letter agencies can get your data without a court order and that you aren't protected by the GDPR if you don't live in the EU
Anything US based should be avoided.
General good practice
They track their users, even though not tracking users is supposed to be their thing.
DDG is basically Bing
I’m not sure this is really a solvable problem but at the end of the day, DuckDuckGo is a for profit corporation. Privacy is more of a marketing angle than something they actually care about. Last year they allowed Microsoft to track mobile users of their “privacy focused” browser which is obviously against their stated purpose for existing. They backtracked after facing backlash but it’s done lasting damage to their reputation. They also got caught by a security researcher, they weren’t at all upfront about it. I think that’s enough to shatter any hope that they are genuine or trustworthy.
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I primarily use DuckDuckGo, and occasionally have to use a !bang to get to the Startpage or Google.
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Can you tell us why Qwant wasn't a good choice for you? I heard they work hard on respecting privacy while providing good results... So I am curious about your experience
The engine occasionally throws up a "Sorry, we've detected unusual traffic from your IP address" and then I have to type in my query again after solving the captcha. They're also based in France, which is bringing in anti-encryption laws and suchlike, so (unless I'm an idiot, which is not unlikely) the risk of something compromising Qwant is rising a bit.
On top of that, it's the only privacy-respecting search engine not to achieve an A grade on ToS;DR.
Oh, very good points you mention here, definitively few red flags. As for the unusual traffic for your IP I experienced it because I'm using a VPN
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What issues did you have with SearXNG?
You could try to self host it, or even just run it on your local machine.
Shameless plug on how to set it up locally, and how to set up custom filters (to block junk websites and redirect reddit to the old interface).
It stopped returning results. I tried other instances: same problems. However, I think the issue may have been fixed.
I am currently on an iPhone, and I'm not really in a position to self-host (although I did try to set up a FreedomBox the other day).
Ah fair enough.
I started by having it on my laptop, and used it only there. Liked it so much that I'm renting a VPS around $5 a month to have it on all my devices.
But to be fair, I'm also hosting other things on that VPS (SearXNG is very light), so it's multi-purpose.
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I use a self hosted instance of Whoogle. It threw up an error a few days back. Got stuck in Google captcha(probably an IP issue). Now it has reset and it is smooth sailing.
Yeah, it is simply Google results, but I think it's fine...
I use Startpage, it’s based within the EU and a proxy for Google results!
Google results
which these days are very very bad! especially if you search something tech/programming related.
some here won't like the idea of a premium, private search engine but Kagi is one of the best tech discoveries I've made in a long time. I pay $5/month for 300 searches and always seem to hit the limit at the very end of my month, never payed the 1.5 cents per search after that.
I don’t want to use Brave Search for a number of reasons.
Mind sharing? I'm curious because I switched to DDG several days ago, after a good while of using Brave. My reasons were:
- defaulting to Moderate safe search every couple of days
- inability to provide me with good results for simple '[word] wiktionary' queries
- having to block some elements of their result templates manually, using their own browser's filtering feature (featured snippets, definitions etc)
- poorer search results compared to what they were a year, two ago
Some people here mentioned Kagi and I liked it a lot when I was beta-testing it, but I will only start paying for using it when they introduce full support for Boolean operators, which most likely means never.
I don't like Brave as a company. Brendan Eich is an arsehole, Brave Browser has had (minor, but numerous) controversies, their crypto stuff is off-putting, and now they're sticking their new AI into everything.
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