Thunderbird.
this post was submitted on 24 Aug 2023
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What do you mean by uploading to the cloud first? Any email goes over the internet
They mean mail apps that keep a copy of your emails in their servers
Are you saying that Mozilla keeps copies of your emails on their own servers?
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No, I am saying that OP is looking for an alternative client, which also doesn't upload their emails. For example, mailspring would be a bad recommendation because, as far as I know, it uploads your email to their server
Can you show any evidence that suggests that either Firefox or Mailspring keeps copies of your emails?
No one said that Thunderbird keeps copies of your email. But there are apps that do that and the OP does not want one of them.
There was a Linux client I saw a while ago—Spring Mail or something like that?—which first downloaded your email from your provider onto their own servers, then your local client got them from their server. This additional cloud step is what I want to avoid.
Have you tried the Thunderbird redesign yet?
I have not, but from screenshots it seems only a minor reskin.
Claws Mail
Still no html composing, right? It would be a serious contender for many people if it just had that feature... Even though, from my experience, most personal email doesn't really use html...
Em client is pretty good. I'm using the pro version and its the what Outlook replacement I have used so far.
Mailspring
There is also Mailbird (not FOSS, costs money and has some weird NordVPN-like fake sales, but the app seems somewhat competent) and Mailspring (partly open source but afaik not completely, built with a MacOS-esque UI but works for Windows and Linux as well).
Say "MacOS-esque" three times really fast.
The built-in Mail app is pretty nice, other than that eM Client is good too
That’s going to be killed off in favor of Outlook in the near future, from what I understand.
If OP is willing to do a bit of extra legwork and somewhat masochistic, then pretty much any Linux-based mail client is fair game with WSL2. The only one I’ve used lately other than Thunderbird is Evolution, but that was just to test a particular distro’s default offering.
New Outlook is an automatic update to the Windows Mail app, it will look mostly the same.
Then why are you recommending them. This is the FOSS community.
And that's why I'm explicitly noting that they're not FOSS, doofus. Besides, if you're using Windows anyway, using its built-in email client is not a huge stretch.
I mean, yes. But why would I want my emails also to go through the spyware OS. What you're saying sounds like "you're already using a OS that tracks everything, giving them your emails at this point wouldn't hurt."
They could already have access to your emails, because… you’re running their OS. They can slip in any code they want and run it with NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM-level privileges (comparable to root-level privileges on Linux systems).
If you run any other OS you’ll also have to trivially trust the makers of that OS with root-level privileges (or comparable).
(Personally I don’t believe that MS is scanning all your local emails, but they certainly have the technical possibilities to do so very trivially.)
They could, but we don't know. Not using their mail app at least makes that a possibility.
But why would I want my emails also to go through the spyware OS
Beats me, but you're the one using Windows, so...
If your email provider offers a webmail client, then you might give that a shot, though it's still going to run under Windows.
This is the FOSS community.
Given people are regularly promoting proprietary trash and being upvoted for it, while people taking a pro-FOSS stance are downvoted, I don't think this is a FOSS community in anything but name anymore.
At the very least I'd have hoped we'd left the childish name calling behind at reddit, but it seems you can't really take the reddit out of the redditor.