I really like my 2019 thinkpad x1 carbon for coding/light gaming. It runs vms pretty well as well. It cost me $250 a couple years ago used off of eBay.
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I found a good T14 gen 1 with Ryzen CPU and 400 nits low-power display, but I read that the 4650U CPUs don't support amd-pstate and only auto-cpufreq, meaning that it will affect negatively the battery life. The T14 gen 2 are unfortunately with the 300 nits display, which is quite mediocre. How much worse the battery would be on the gen1?
I can't find any proper tests on the matter but here's someone with the Thinkpad X13 with the same CPU answering the battery question.
https://old.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/x4nevt/perfect_laptop_x13_gen_1_amd_ubuntu_2204/ioibywd/
That's actually better than I thought though. I am also tempted into a 16:10 aspect ratio, but that's only on the third gen which is unfortunate. Thanks for the link.
At framework, only the desktop and the 13 offer Ryzen AI options.
That said, my 16 is plenty powerful enough.
True that, and I generally prefer bigger screens. As I said what I don't like is the price.
X13 gen 1 thinkpad with Debian, the touchscreen worked out of the box with no additional config needed
Thinkpads and Framework are top tier. Then there’s the “Linux first brands” like System76 and Tuxedo. All of those will work flawlessly.
Then the “generally work well with Linux” like Acer, Lenovo, and Asus; maybe some HP, LG and Samsung. Then the “probably runs Linux fine, but it’s a weird brand” like Redmi, Chuwi, and Gateway.
Then the “avoid at all costs” like Dell, Apple, Microsoft Surface, a lot of HPs, and anything with a Qualcomm ARM processor.
You answered yourself: ThinkPads. Beware of soldered RAM (and other "improvements) in newer models.
T14 Gen 2 with Ryzen here. Great machine, no problems at all.
Thinkpads are extremely well documented. For how to repair/replace parts, you need the HMM. Just Google for "Thinkpad t14 Gen 1 HMM" and you should find the official PDF on their site. That will tell you, step by step, how to replace the keyboard.
As for the part itself, you can again check Lenovo's site for all compatible parts (FRUs) and find the item number and details. While I wouldn't recommend buying directly from them due to cost, this should give you the information needed to find it elsewhere. eBay has tons of Thinkpads being sold for parts, and many of these will be parted out. You should have no issues finding what you're looking for.
I got an X280 with 8 GB of RAM a few months ago, works great with Linux. Paid just $175. It even works with Haiku OS! Pic: https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/113/731/895/755/005/386/original/1b09c5a0d636d9a5.jpg
Older MacBooks and MacBook Airs (pre-2018 or so) make awesome Linux machines and have really come down in price. If you can find one cheap, I highly recommend them.
Intel machines later than that have T2 chips and are still good but take a bit more research.
M1 Macs are pretty well supported now but that is a different universe.
Older MacBooks still have that darned WiFi card which you need special proprietary drivers for. And basically nothing in that chassis is standard; everything is Apple-specific if you want to repair it. I don't recommend MacBooks
Yes, exactly, what attracts me to Framework and ThinkPad is the repairability
Personally, Framework has become a bit too expensive for me. If you're in the US I'd look at the older Dell precision and HP ZBook workstations from 2020 or earlier, they have amazing specs and go for $400 or so. Fairly repairable because enterprises demanded that they be and gobs of power for anything you want.
How easy and expensive would it be to swap this with US English?
On the T14 (not T14s) it is easy. See https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/videos/nvid500443-replacing-your-keyboard-thinkpad-t14-and-p14s-gen-1-and-2-customer-self-service
Seems to be available from ~30USD https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Keyboard-5N20V44072-5N20V43774-5N20X68864/dp/B0B3RV3LK5
ifixit has genuine parts for ~75USD https://www.ifixit.com/products/5n20v44072-lenovo-laptop-keyboard-genuine
I was lucky to work at a college in their computer warehouse. I got steed discounts on hp laptops and desktops. If you can find a good deal on a hp z book those are fantastic and I ran Linux exclusively on the 5 or 6 I purchased. Easy to work on back than I guess it depends on how new you are looking.
You may want to specify what your needs are. What is this for?
For personal use, I will use it just when traveling, as I have a more powerful desktop. Nothing too fancy, a bit of programming, tinkering. Will run probably Hyprland. What's important is to have 5-6 hours of battery life. I will probably run some containers, YouTube watching, browsing, should be portable and support charging over USB-C.
About the last bit: There are these now. Available for all usual laptop plugs and voltages. Much easier to carry with you than a separate AC brick.
Yes, that's why I want to have a USB-C charging. I have a 60W GAN charger.
Yeah, but if your dream second hand laptop has everything but USB-C charging, you can easily get such adapter and basically make it USB-C charging capable. 😉
I tend to lose adapters to be honest. And right now I am trying to get everything possible to support USB-C as it is super convenient and the chargers are also really small.
Install the adapter and epoxy it to the laptop :D
This is basically the opposite of a thinkpad/framework, but m1 macbook airs are cheapish second hand, plenty of battery life, USBC, lightweight and durable. Definitely not repairable or upgradable though, so if thats important forget it.
Can install Linux (asahi project), but macos is Unix like enough that I found it good enough.
@filister , I got my laptop from Dellrefurbished.com , honestly the best Linux laptop I have ever bought. It was only $200 at the time, I run Fedora on it. I have to admit I love the fact the BIOS updates properly and not too infrequently, sort of giving the feel of being supported if anything alone.
but it has the wrong keyboard
you can also either manually reconfigure keys or just choose your habitual keyboard layout and ignore the markings (that's what i do. How often do you look at your keyboard anyway?)
How often do you look at your keyboard anyway?
More than I care to admit!
In the night I do look every now and then, plus if I need some special symbol, it is much better if you have it on the keyboard instead of googling
I think you can just buy a pack of stickers for your preferred layout for a fiver if you want the low-tech solution!
I've gone from German layout to UK layout to US, I definitely understand the pain of remembering where which symbol is. Apart from that I have to say, with a bit of practice your brain will adapt pretty quickly, there isn't that much difference between the "standard" layouts anyway
except for the french 🤦
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i don't know why you got downVoted for writing about your preferences 🤷
i have my permanent marker for those "special symbols" i rarely use and never learn :)
If you're going to install Linux, Dell and IBM are generally very compatible. I've got a Dell 1500 series that runs Linux beautifully except the battery has given up the ghost and I need to replace it, also going to swap out the hard drive for an ssd. But Mate runs well on it, even the touch screen features work.
I’ve never had a Dell that didn’t have issues with Linux. The fingerprint reader never works, sometimes the webcam doesn’t work, sometimes the WiFi doesn’t work, and sometimes the ambient light sensor doesn’t work. But, there’s always a problem. After having four different Dells, I finally swore off the brand for good. Never again.
Toughbook cf-31