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[–] [email protected] 61 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I have no idea why the makers of LLM crawlers think it's a good idea to ignore bot rules. The rules are there for a reason and the reasons are often more complex than "well, we just don't want you to do that". They're usually more like "why would you even do that?"

Ultimately you have to trust what the site owners say. The reason why, say, your favourite search engine returns the relevant Wikipedia pages and not bazillion random old page revisions from ages ago is that Wikipedia said "please crawl the most recent versions using canonical page names, and do not follow the links to the technical pages (including history)". Again: Why would anyone index those?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Because you are coming from the perspective of a reasonable person

These people are billionaires who expect to get everything for free. Rules are for the plebs, just take it already

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

That’s what they are saying though. These shouldn’t be thought of as “rules”, they are suggestions near universally designed to point you to the most relevant content. Ignoring them isn’t “stealing something not meant to be captured”, it’s wasting time and resources of your own infra on something very likely to be useless to you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Because it takes work to obey the rules, and you get less data for it. The theoretical competitor could get more ignoring those and get some vague advantage for it.

I'd not be surprised if the crawlers they used were bare-basic utilities set up to just grab everything without worrying about rules and the like.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

They want everything, does it exist, but it's not in their dataset? Then they want it.

They want their ai to answer any question you could possibly ask it. Filtering out what is and isn't useful doesn't achieve that

[–] [email protected] 72 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Surprised at the level of negativity here. Having had my sites repeatedly DDOSed offline by Claudebot and others scraping the same damned thing over and over again, thousands of times a second, I welcome any measures to help.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 days ago

I think the negativity is around the unfortunate fact that solutions like this shouldn't be necessary.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Burning 29 acres of rainforest a day to do nothing

[–] cantstopthesignal 15 points 6 days ago
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[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I guess this is what the first iteration of the Blackwall looks like.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

Gotta say "AI Labyrinth" sounds almost as cool.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago

I’m imagining a sci-fi spin on this where AI generators are used to keep AI crawlers in a loop, and they accidentally end up creating some unique AI culture or relationship in the process.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago (2 children)

"I used the AI to destroy the AI"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And consumed the power output of a medium country to do it.

Yeah, great job! 👍

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

We truly are getting dumber as a species. We're facing climate change but running some of the most power hungry processers in the world to spit out cooking recipes and homework answers for millions of people. All to better collect their data to sell products to them that will distract them from the climate disaster our corporations have caused. It's really fun to watch if it wasn't so sad.

[–] cantstopthesignal 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We had to kill the internet, to save the internet.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

We have to kill the Internet, to save humanity.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This is getting ridiculous. Can someone please ban AI? Or at least regulate it somehow?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

The problem is, how? I can set it up on my own computer using open source models and some of my own code. It’s really rough to regulate that.

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[–] TorJansen 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And soon, the already AI-flooded net will be filled with so much nonsense that it becomes impossible for anyone to get some real work done. Sigh.

[–] cantstopthesignal 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Some of us are only here to crank hog.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Should have called it "Black ICE".

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Considering how many false positives Cloudflare serves I see nothing but misery coming from this.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

In terms of Lemmy instances, if your instance is behind cloudflare and you turn on AI protection, federation breaks. So their tools are not very helpful for fighting the AI scraping.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Lol I work in healthcare and Cloudflare regularly blocks incoming electronic orders because the clinical notes "resemble" SQL injection. Nurses type all sorts of random stuff in their notes so there's no managing that. Drives me insane!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

You have Thirteen hours in which to solve the labyrinth before your baby AI becomes one of us, forever.

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