Wild that the first grenade didn't get a response from the group.
this post was submitted on 22 Aug 2023
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Looks like no one has any clue what's happening. I guess the drone is very high up and they don't know where the bomb came from. Also I'm assuming explosion noise are common in the battle field
I have a drone (dji mini2) for photography and it's wild how fast you can lose all sight and sound from it if there's any backround noise. When it's calm and quiet you can hear it ~300m away but if there's any noise from traffic/city/whatever it's really easy to lost the thing to the sky even at 50-100m distance. A while ago I took photos from a sports event my kid was playing in and I couldn't spot the thing while it was stationary in the air 20 meters higher than me and maybe 70 meters away even if I had GPS, visual and everything so I knew where to look. Music was playing so I couldn't hear the motors at all and background had some forest so the drone itself wasn't visible against sky and shadows from the trees.
Based on the videos I'm quessing they're flying at 100-150m above ground and even the ones carrying grenades are a bit bigger than mine they're still very small objects against the sky. And they're getting damn accurate, I couldn't drop anything reliably from my drone even if I tried but guys at Ukraine are dropping epxlosives trough sunroofs of the cars.
All I'm wondering if it's really worth the time and effort to take down attackers one or two at the time with special equipment, but then again the alternative would be to have boots on the ground with an assault rifle, so I'm just assuming they know what they're doing and I'm definetly not the one going to advice them on anything.
Also, the soldiers have probably spent months in trenches, and 99.99% of the time there isn't a drone to spot. After a while they just won't even look for one.
The effectiveness is huge. Just consider the k/d ratio.
And also the money spent per kill.
If you're in any way accustomed to military expenditures, the cost of these drone kills is negligible.
While the drones are indeed cheap as dirt compared to other military toys they have around it still wonders me about the scale and economics of the things. A guy with a sniper rifle costs roughly the same than a guy with a drone, difference being that a bullet from a rifle is far more cheaper than a dropped grenade, but you need a very skilled sniper to shoot into a trench potentially couple of km's away from the launch spot, so I suppose it's worth the "extra" effort in the end, but the scale of things just somehow seems wrong on my head as it's a relatively expensive and slow thing to take one guy at the time down.
Whatever the case might be, every successful drop from a drone is one (or more) less barrel pointed at the ukrainians and drones can be bought with just money. Someone (specially skilled) with a rifle isn't as easy nor fast to replace, so I suppose it makes sense to slowly grind attackers with presents from the sky.
In any case I salute ukrainians for their effort and once things calm down a bit I'll visit your beautiful country and (for what it's worth) I personally hope that you get peace and join EU and NATO soon.
I guess snipers are the first ones to be picked off by enemy drones(think nicht vision).
I expect the drone pilots to be relatively safe.
I think even In WW1 most days didn't see much action in the trenches. So slow 'progress' with drones is better than no progress. Also, the drones are obviously auxiliary, and not the main strategy
It’s like I get the point of this war but at the same time it’s just something about the music playing in the background like it’s some kind of call of duty montage that makes me feel uneasy about it.
I was in the military too and there are often times where I didn’t agree with certain things but it’s part of the mission.
Idk, it’s just sad and unfortunate all around.
These people have friends and family that I’m sure care about them..
I don't think anyone is happy that this was is going on. The reason I'm happy to see Russian casualties it's twofold, the war will not end until the Russians have faced such devastating loss of life that they destabilize the Putin regime, and the myriad war crimes are being committed by Russian service men. Death, surrender, or retreat. That's it, the Russians serve the cause of genocide and have to be expelled from Ukraine. Sure they have families, that's too bad, Ukraine is the victim. Kill Russians until their families start to care, though that may not be possible.
Destabilizing Putin will only fuel the ultranationalist takeover. You are delusional if you think this will end the war - it will make everything worse. You talk about genocide with no clue what it means. It is incredible how brainwashed you are by this kind of morbid propaganda. You are the victim of western war profiteering. You should know that the people you are against will reurgitate the same talking points (just replace Russsia with Ukraine). Fact is: you are "happy to see causalities". This is a very sadistic attitude!
Destabilizing Putin will only fuel the ultranationalist takeover.
We have no idea what will happen in a post-Putin Russia. I am under no illusion that it will change for the better and suddenly become truly free and democratic, nothing in Russian history suggests that will happen, but the actual scenario is a complete unknown. Also your fears about ultranationalist takeover is a bit late, that already occurred with Putin more than a decade ago.
As it stands now, any casualty inflicted on the Russian army and the destabilisation of Russia is a good thing, because it helps undermine the ultranationalist imperialist project which Putin has dragged Russia into. Despite Russians being actual human beings, some of those human beings are actively engaged in an invasion and planned genocide of a neighbouring country. There are no "both sides" to that, that is a fact existing in reality.
And anyone not deserting or surrendering to Ukraine are legitimate targets in the effort to minimise the damage they are currently doing to the victim country. Russia is systematically and deliberately bombing civilian targets each and every day. They are torturing and killing POWs and civilians, and it will continue to happen for as long as they are allowed to engage in their war of aggression. Stopping this by eliminating the invading soldiers one by one, and destroying their equipment piece by piece is the only way, because neither Putin nor Russia will willingly back down from their invasion and grand plans of their Greater Russia.
Do you think Russian POW are having a good time in Ukrainian prisons? Just like the Iraqi POW in the US prisons were treated with respect? Give me a break. Fighting fire with fire never works (at least not without destroying everything). All this leads to is a new desillusioned generation with no perspective that is prone to gobble up the next dictators promises. Negotiations are the best we can do (ofc with compromises) and post WWII Europe is a good example. The EU is a great achievment in this regard as it enabled peaceful collaboration (although far from ideal and not aligned with my personal views).
Completley agree. A bunch of comments conveying similar sentiments were deleted below (not a nice move mods!).
Two more small steps towards peace
Why are comments being deleted? I agree with the sentiment - we should not entertain ourselves watching others die and suffer. This is not peaceful. No wonder we are being asociated with facists...
I reported a vatnik sympathizer for being a vatnik sympathizer and either the mods or admins took action
What are you talking about? They never showed sympathy for the killing while you advocate for it. You on the other hand are distributing propaganda: https://www.propastop.org/eng/2023/01/05/why-propagandists-are-battling-to-redefine-vatnik/
I said that to defeat an invading army which refuses to withdraw, you have to kill them until they leave. They said that both sides were "corrupt oligarchies murdering their young" as if Ukraine has any choice between defending themselves or fucking surrendering.
That's vatnik bullshit. Just like your vatnik bullshit. Reported.
*"murdering their workers". Corruption is not about choice. Do you think the soldiers have a choice? Putin, Zelensky and their rich friends are not going to help the people! You are brainwashed to the extreme. Last time I heard such rhetoric was from chinese soldiers talking about the japanese... You are facist scum. (Reported: call for violence).