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this post was submitted on 26 Feb 2025
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Well this is certainly one of the decisions of all time. I guess we finally got our reaction from the board. I was waiting, hoping to hear some rebuke of Yenβs bullshit. Didnβt expect another intentional step into shit. Bye Felicia.
Pointing people to reddit, as if that's an alternative. When a VPN provider makes such bad choices it's tempting to imagine that the decision was influenced by somebody who wants to secretly get the message out that the company is no longer to be trusted, because it's hard to see any other logic in it.
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From the statement on their webpage: " We believe in people before profits, and our primary shareholder is the non-profitΒ Proton FoundationΒ whose mission is to fight for an open internet that promotes freedom of speech and freedom of information."
Welp, I guess I'm switching to Tuta now.
Everyone recommends Tuta in these threads.
I just (finally) had a look at their pricing. Seems egregiously expensive? 6EUR / user / month for their cheapest business plan is a bit nuts
Thatβs what Microsoft 365 Business Basic, Google Workspace Starter, and Proton Mail Essentials are all priced at. Seems like the market price to me
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I just set up a paid account on Tuta today replacing my paid Proton account.
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After Andy Yen's endorsement of the orange utan, I would seriously reconsider using any Proton product.
Yen tried to backpedal meekly several times since then, to get out of the pickle he got himself into with his definitely-not-impressed customers, but it's a bit late for that: either he's pro-Trump or he's naive. Either way, he makes Proton sketchy.
Idc if I likes Trump or not (even though Trump is garbage); but I do care that he says the Republicans - the party that has spent years attacking encryption and privacy, who has sued to obtain private medical records of women and trans people who see doctors, and who is funded by billionaire big tech moguls - is the better option for privacy.
Also just taking ANY position for a leader of the US - one of the biggest parties to the Five Eyes agreement - just leaves a bad taste.
Do you have any recommendations for someone who just uses them for email?
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This might sound crazy but this is way worse to me than the CEO simping for orange man. At least for Trump he has a semi plausible excuse.
Reposting stuff on Mastodon or Bluesky barely requires any additional effort. And I cannot think of a good reason to close abandon the free publicity when they already have it set up.
Yea this is worse. The politics thing could be brushed off as Andy Yen being uneducated on American politics. Moving away from an already established fediverse platform is contradictory to Proton's mission. It doesn't take more than a minute to copy paste their xitter posts to Mastadon.
And Iβd have thought the potential customers segment are exactly the Mastodon users.
I think the reason is that every time they post something, someone there points out the Andy Yen thing. Thats basically the only comments. So its detrimental to their business.
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Lmao k bye Proton
I'm searching for a safe and cheap alternative for my own domain, but it's hard! And I don't want to give money to American companies.
Tuta is β¬3.60 a month or β¬3 a month if you pay for an entire year (β¬36) not sure if that's "cheap" in your budget.
A .com domain is like $12 per year
Tuta takes like 48 hours to respons, slower than Proton who takes about 12-24 hours, but as long as the response is under 1 week, its fine by me.
I have only been using Tuta for like a month, still not sure if I'm staying tho...
There's also Mailbox.org which is also about β¬3 a month, which doesn't have encryption by default and they don't have an official opensource client. (Tuta has their client on F-Droid)
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Not even Bluesky, they went straight to Reddit. Shame.
It's a sad day when "you can find us over on Discord" is a better option.
At least reddits getting selfaware enough that every other post is ppl getting mad at ppl telling them to google since those posts are what they find off google, or they've already googled and found nothing.
The immediate assumption that everyone is an idiot who hasnt tried to google is annoying but used to be valid, ppl got lazy there (including me) and would just ask questions that were easily googleable, the issue is those posts are now first on google and none of them have answers lol
Sus af
Switched to Mullvad for VPN, Baikal for calendar and contacts, Tuta for professional mail, and considering Bitwarden or Buttercup for a password manager
I use Bitwarden coming from LastPass. It's great for me and my fam.
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I feel like those resources are about to get even more limited.