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I am dissapointed in my peers. For years I have always been told to stay away from Apple devices and the company in general. However, no one who said that actually used their devices, or used them but not recently (some had like iPhone 4s in the past). Their knowledge was always based on some 3rd hand impressions or internet related peer pressure.

I am in the EU, and Apple devices aren’t as popular as in the US, mostly everyone uses an Android phone and a Windows machine. That also led me using Android and Windows in my daily activities, for the last 15 years. After many phones, starting with HTC Wildfire, i have continously been let down by my phone every 1 to 3 years after purchase.

First i was buying flagships, then mid-high, then back to non-pro flagship variants. I was also trying diffenent brands; HTC, LG, Sony, Samsung, Xiaomi, Nokia, OnePlus. When my last phone died, and i had to buy a new one, i had no idea what to get.

Everything seemed bad, i had them, they look the same, software looks the same, i was afraid of picking a “wrong” phone again. Every single one of them had some issue i couldn’t get over. Either notification problems, bad battery life, slow performance on camera, issues with sharing stuff, fingerprint annoyances, restarts…

Mind you, not everything was on a single device. One had great battery life but i wouldn’t get messages sometimes, other was great but battery life was poor, and on most of them the camera was laggy or buggy.

1 year ago, maybe a bit more, it dawned on me that the only brand i haven’t used anything from is Apple, so i got a basic iPhone 13 to “check it out”, planning on using it for a week or two just to see what the fuss is about. I was using my Android device as the main phone, and the iPhone as a second phone, I wasn’t ready for the jump.

After a week i found myself doing everything on the iPhone apart from voice calls, so then i finally took the SIM and retired my Android phone. 6 months later, my Windows laptop battery died and the repair would cost more than what the laptop is worth. So i decided to purchase a thin and portable laptop with intention to install Debian on it, as i was done with Win11 bugs and “features”.

After looking for 2-3 weeks, comparing different laptops, i was set on a HP 14inch laptop with a price tag of about €1300. Then i remembered that i am still thinking with my peers in mind. They were enraged on how i “betrayed” them by switching to iPhone.

I decided to look up Mac laptops and found out that they are actually very similary priced as the one i wanted to buy. I got out and purchased a M2 Air, basic configuration. I had no idea about the iPhone-Mac compatibility and integrations. Found out about AirDrop and other features. I was in love with this new combo that, cliche, “just works”.

My “friends” literally went 180 on me just for the dumb reason of using one brand instead of the other. None of them has actually tried to use Apple hardware. They were mocking me about being “locked in”, “fallen for their marketing”, and other stuff. “How do you like your iCloud subscription?”, things like that.

I have to tell you, i do not use any paid service from Apple. I succesfully conected my Apple devices to my home server where i keep my files, photos, calendar and all the other applications on it. I am not locked in, i feel like i have even more freedom because some services work better than on Android or Windows.

Syncing works flawlessly, something that was always janky on Android.

Sorry for the long post.

I guess what i am trying to ask is, why so much hate? Why can’t a person decide for themselves? Why is macOS/iOS looked down upon regarding connectivity with other devices and services when that’s clearly not the case?

Why do people that have no first hand experience so vocal and opposed to the brand? Shouldn’t you at least try and then be the judge?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I had an iPhone 12 for a couple of years but got fed up with how restrictive iOS is. I've also had a few iPads over the years but never really used them as much as I'd have hoped. My only experience with a Mac was trying to use an iMac on campus back when I was at uni and it was the slowest and laggiest computer I think I've ever used.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No. To me, Apple is like Nazis. They look good but are bad. The end.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just don't like how you get around in an iphone. Admittedly, I haven't used Macs in a very long time, so maybe they're pretty good nowadays (I still hear you can't upgrade them at all tho, sooo...maybe not?), but most of it comes down to me feeling lost navigating the thing.

The other thing is how expensive Apple Products are in comparison to the competition, and the walled garden thing they got going on. Androids are just easier to move around in, cheaper, and give me more control over my device. That's the other big thing that steers me away from iphones: I pay more for a "premium" product and get a lack of control over it.

On android: If I wanna not use the Play Store, I can ignore it and use something else, if I don't like the stock apps, i can look for replacements that do suit my tastes (tbf, I can do this on Apple too, but there isn't much by comparison), if I wanna install a custom ROM, I can install it, if I wanna root the thing and sideline apps while I'm at it, I can, if I want to brick my phone...I'm an idiot, but I have that option. I can do none of that, or do some of it in a limited way, on an iphone.

Pretty much, I don't like how unintuitive the UI is, how restricting the system feels to me, and the company's overall anti consumer stance

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I personally am not the biggest apple fan but I find it downright disturbing how your "friends" are so adamant about this. My own dislike stems from overinflated prices, working conditions in the electronics sector in general and apple in particular (I have a fairphone and a headache about tablet use...) and waaaaaaay back I had an iPad that wasn't compatible with a windows/linux machine.

Doesn't mean apple doesn't have their good points, you are most firmly entitled to decide yourself what you spend money on and anything else wouldn't be decent behaviour in my opinion. Let alone how I'd treat my friends. Stating an opinion is nice and healthy, what they do... Not so much.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah it looks like i need new friends, but that gets kinda hard when you’re older

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel ya. But with these people I'd forever wonder what they'd do if I did something less innocuous as buying a phone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No need to wonder! Better to cut them off and sleep calmly if you ask me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'd say both are good it just depends on what you like, Ive noticed android gets a lot of features first but they are always clunky to the way apple will implement them. Personally I still prefer Android because I change my launcher to kiss and make everything text based, I prefer windows over Mac just because I'm used to all the shortcuts already and the way software works. Having used Mac at work for a while I always had to second think taking screen shots and all that going between windows and Mac

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

iPhone are great, but restrictive. The DMA will open up competition on iOS for those in the EU soon. We'll be able to install competing app stores, and download and install any software we like without having to go through Apple.

MacBooks are really well built. I'm not a big fan of macOS, but it does integrate well with my iPhone.

Ignore anyone who mocks you for using the right tool for the job. People who make technology their whole personality don't really have much depth.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lots of comments, low votes, yeah, lemmings don't like Apple at all 😂

I have used Apple smartphones in my teenage days, up until 2020 where I ditched my old iPhone 6s for a Poco F2 Pro, I was pretty comfortable with it, and it is my main phone even until this day. (Currently using custom ROMs, I did not even wait until the warranty to expire to get rid of stock MIUI lol).

I have always liked the freedom of my gadgets, I was always keen to jailbreak/mod whatever I can, unfortunately iOS did make this harder even until today, but at the same time it improved a lot to make some users not miss too much jailbreak (I was one of them since I used less and less my phone).

This very fact of liking freedom made me enjoy the Android side more (my other big Android device is the Nvidia Shield TV and I sideload every shit that interests me).

I legit think most lemmings don't give the opportunity to at least test Apple devices, I know they are corporate, I know they are closed source, but I still think it is a bit of close mind to not even acknowledge them as what they are.... A more than capable adversary of Android smartphones, heck, my girlfriend has an iPhone 13 and it feels so premium (even her previous 11 and 7 did), the apps are so well made, the apps barely reload in the background with its joke amount of RAM, even with its very limited customization side you can tweak a lot the home screen and the lockscreen overall to some next level shit... I'd like to have different kinds of home screens per session based (routines) on Android, and no, changing launchers does not count as they have cringe animations since A11...

In a nutshell every time I try it is a hell of a well made phone, but even having that in mind I'd not get back to it... Not in the short term at least, Android has grown on me so much that first I'd get a premium Android device (maybe Pixel because I don't like One UI), but if iOS keeps improving who knows, maybe someday.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Recent Apple is the whole problem! Jobs era apple was amazing, but Cook era Apple is just a style brand with mediocre products. I used to love everything apple made, but for a long time now I've disliked almost everything they've done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

A lot of people that have feelings and behave like your friends do so out of insecurity. Apple stuff works really well within their own ecosystem. They’re kinda dicks about how they run their app-store, and I do believe they overcharge for most everything they make; but it doesn’t change that their stuff works really well, consistently.

I have to use Windows, OSX and various forms of Linux on almost a daily basis. They all have pros and cons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh, Apple's ecosystem is absolutely brilliant, but the problem is that it only works with Apple hardware and software with no indication of future cross platform compatibility. So you basically get suckered into buying Apple products only, if you want to keep your passwords, documents, podcasts, etc.

Like migrating into Apple's platform is easy, but moving back out is almost impossible. The main problem lies with how irritating it can get to consume content provided by services outside their domain.

Personally I am happy with my Macbook, because I can still download and install apps without using the App Store, but I could never see myself migrating to iOS because that would mean losing my manga collection, my emulators, the ability to watch free movies on Stremio, etc.

Edit: Oh, yeah the iOS keyboard is an absolute travesty. It makes textboxes so frustrating to deal with. How can you have a virtual keyboard without a clipboard in this day and age?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. I recently switched from an iPhone pro to a Pixel pro and I greatly prefer the Pixel. I'm still learning cool new things I can do with my Pixel after months of use. The text selection is absolutely awful on the iPhone, as is the keyboard. Those two things alone were reason enough for me to switch.

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