I do want to say that I dont think Anyone should be harassed or doxxed the way h3 have. Its also a shame cos regular people that want to just enjoy the content, the jokes and fun can't cos the people in snark make it their goal in life to make specific targets miserable disregarding the effect it has on anyone caught in the crossfire including children and fans.

I do apologize for my harsh words, I dont know you as a person and I was harsh.

Also: enjoying someones mental decline is also a harsh thing to say, imagine if it was someone you cared about, people were saying that about them? Have some empathy, dont pile on and laugh thats a cruel quality to have reguardless if you think he's a good person or not.

Edit: just hopped on to Lemmy, hoping for positive stuff on this sub to find it barely active, mostly down voted and the only comments seemingly come from snarkers (I didnt notice the date of the comment), It just sucks please if you want to be negative go to the snark page or something.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the nice response. Welcome to Lemmy. I'm not here to change your mind but since you mentioned some stuff I'll say a few things.

Ethan Klein recently stalked someone live on his show on Instagram. As he stalked their profile AB said "oh I know that place" and doxed the area where the guy lived. This resulted in the mother of the person they were stalking allegedly having a bomb threat called into their place of work. A school.

So its odd to mention people doxxing h3. No one wants CPS called on him either. But he has brought this upon himself. If you're an h3 watcher only and do not spend any time watching anyone critical of him you'll never learn anything.

The h3 podcast has become a complete echo chamber filled with all of the Destiny community that had no place to go as he was exposed for sex crimes. Thats what a lot of that community is filled with now. I watched his podcast for years. The community is not the same as it was and Ethan Klein is just a complete liar.

I pity his mental health decline. I said it was sad. But that doesn't mean it's not entertaining. You don't look away from a train wreck.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I dont always get to watch every ep that comes out and I dont remember that specific segment, when AB said he knew the place did he name the address or show it on screen?

I dont think he brought CPS upon himself, iirc he made a joke and snarkers took it and ran. Which is common, they still talk about deleting Ramadan posts dispite the snark sub admitting their mod faked it.

The destiny bs is a Hasan narrative right? H3 never had contact with destiny but Hasan did and were pretty good buddies for a while, now Hasan seems to point the finger at Ethan.

I am happy to be critical of people I like, they are people not perfect. If you can find sources I'd be interested I just tend to believe snarkers blow things out of proportion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Doxing a random comment live on their show. With the explicit intent of doxing them.

If the above timestamp isn't right then skip to 35:45

They're public figures with a massive platform and audience. This type of thing should get them deplatformed.

The guys responded with a video after suddenly get a bunch of death threats to him and his family members. His response is around 8:24 in this video. I can't find the original post of this right now though.

https://youtu.be/Iq-Uf4I5qDs?t=504

Idk. I don't think telling a podcast host to "enjoy hell" is deserving of doxing and encouraging your fans to threaten peoples family.

The "snark" is not one directional and I would say that anything around h3 is super unhealthy. It's unhealthy for the people calling CPS on him. And it's unhealthy for the people sending death threats to random people that dont like him.

It's just become a very very unhealthy fan base that he has gotten. And regarding Destiny Ethan doesn't have to know him directly. Destiny is banned and dealing with criminal charges. So all of his fans that famously hate Hasan have just joined Ethan's audience. It where they migrated to and it's why so much of the h3 community is filled with crazy fans sending death threats. The Destiny community that Ethan attracted with his Hasan hatred is known for this type of doxing campaigns.

I guess my point is. It's unhealthy. And if you're only ever just watching the podcast and believing everything they say you'll only just see them as victims. Instead of being the source of where all of this toxic behavior comes from in the first place.

And lastly, you'd likely never get this info on reddit because it's either a snark sub with trash people or the h3 sub that just deletes any comment or post critical of Ethan.

I was a long time fan. But the fan base is becoming extremely reactionary and it just feels like they are catering so heavily to that now. I stopped watching it. Its unhealthy for Ethan and it was unhealthy for me listening to it.

They've just become everything that they use to make fun of or criticize.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I haven't watched the videos yet and will make a reply for that and my opinion when I do watch them so thanks for the links (ive just been busy) but I dont know where I stand with a lot of the fans of h3, when I visit the sub its usually jokes and fun which is why I liked h3 in the first place but when looking at some of the takes in live chat it seems like some are really toxic so I gueess that explains why some are chill and others are insane. Destiny fans. But it seems like they aren't really fans of h3 just fans to hasan haters.

I noticed a shift away from jokes and fun segments to serious topics when Hasan and Ethan started leftovers. Frenemies was toxic af but was entertaining then families was wholesome fun which I loved, Donna is so wholesome. But anyway it stopped being fun segments with some serious topics to being serious topics with some fun segments.

I dont agree with all of Ethan's takes I just see a lot of unfair bashing especially after the Israeli invasion in Gaza (they were receiving credible death threats long before the conflict) but now its not some Neo Nazi org, its friends that cut ties and not speaking up.

Its crazy to me that guys on the right wing traditionally vocally hating h3 defending them more than their own friends.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think that last sentence should tell you a bit more about h3 than about people critical of h3. The right wing people have not changed. The left wing people have not changed. Ethan changed. He has started to surround himself with people that he once criticized.

For example, if he started dropping the Nword all the time again and suddenly "right wing" people started defending him I think you'd understand what happened. Obviously it's not that extremely obvious but is similar in terms of his right wing shift. Hateful right wingers defending him should be your biggest red flag. They are using him to spread their reactionary ideas.

Ethan's defense of Israel has shifted his politics and his fans further right. I'm sure there are a lot of people not very political that still stick around. But Ethan seems to try to say he's "pro Palestine" while attacking every single person that is in support of Palestinian Liberation in any way. He seems to think his way of "supporting Palestine" while constantly just repeating the talking points of the country perpetrating a genocide and spending the rest of his time insulting and criticizing every single content creator that is critical of Israel in any way.

None of any of this justifies him, his fan, or his critics getting death threats. But my point that "he brought this upon himself" is because I am critical of all of those parties doxing or threatening people. But Ethan is actively doxing and encouraging his fans to take these actions.

But you can judge that for yourself in the videos.

If you're interested in more about what I'm talking about with Ethan and his gatekeeping of "how one can support Palestine" Noah Samsen has a video covering how YouTubers have done this in general which heavily covers Ethan obviously as he is the largest defender of Israel on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/SsPCxoln6fQ

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My interpretation of right wingers defending Ethan on CPS is because even they believe its unhinged to get children involved in the h3-snark war (I dont recall them targeting them through their kids ever) they certainly dont defend him in any other capacity that ive seen.

I'm not sure what reaction ideas you're refering to, could you elaborate please?

Ethan isn't defending the IDF, he's donated to Palestinian relief efforts and is critical of IDF, his view has always been that war effects the innocent and advocating for death for either side will never result in peace.

The criticism of other influencers is because they spread a rhetoric of IDF should all be killed and anyone who was ever part of the IDF are baby killers, add to it people perpetuating narratives of his wife being a baby killer, photoshopping her, playing games about killing IDF while commentating that they are looking for desk clerks (hilas position) to kill. (Edit: blantant antisemitic posts that seem to slip through social media filters, but constantly getting called out for small things some of which he didnt do at all, look at twitch with Hasan content nuke, hasan skates by on a 1 day ban while h3 got a month ban for showing hasan content (which was later reversed after a request for appeal was denied).

I have never seen Ethan use his fans to dox or harass and anytime its joked about he says dont actually do it, its bad etc etc.

On a note: I just watched the link in your other comment about doxing and I disagree its doxing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing I dont think it fits this definition. He looks at this guys public profile and AB said oh this hotdog is outside a museum at someplace (I couldn't properly hear what place) then they discussed if it moves around. I watched about 5 minutes past the timestamp and didnt see anywhere h3 encourages fans to threaten this guy or his family.

An example of ~~actual~~ what id call doxing is what happens in the h3 snark discord where they post h3s studio address, TF business address and private address (while encouraging harassment).

Edit: I have made a few edits to this post to try to clear up some grammar, and reword a few things.