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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Deep thinker asks why?

Thus spoketh the Yud: "The weird part is that DOGE is happening 0.5-2 years before the point where you actually could get an AGI cluster to go in and judge every molecule of government. Out of all the American generations, why is this happening now, that bare bit too early?"

Yud, you sweet naive smol uwu baby~~esian~~ boi, how gullible do you have to be to believe that a) tminus 6 months to AGI kek (do people track these dog shit predictions?) b) the purpose of DOGE is just accountability and definitely not the weaponized manifestation of techno oligarchy ripping apart our society for the copper wiring in the walls?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

bahahahaha "judge every molecule." I can't believe I ever took this guy even slightly seriously.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

I swear these dudes really need to supplement their Ayn Rand with some Terry Pratchett....

“All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."

REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.

"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"

YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.

"So we can believe the big ones?"

YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.

"They're not the same at all!"

YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.

"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"

MY POINT EXACTLY.”

-- Hogfather

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The worst part is I can't tell if that's not meant to be taken literally or if it is.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He retweeted somebody saying this:

The cheat code to reading Yudkowsky- at least if you're not doing death-of-the-author stuff- is that he believes the AI doom stuff with completely literal sincerity. To borrow Orwell's formulation, he believes in it the way he believes in China.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yud be like: "kek you absolute rubes. ofc I simply meant AI would be like a super accountant. I didn't literally mean it would be able to analyze gov't waste from studying the flow of matter at the molecular level... heh, I was just kidding... unless 🥺 ? "

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@lritter/114001505488538547

master: welcome to my Smart Home

student: wow. how is the light controlled?

master: with this on-off switch

student: i don't see a motor to close the blinds

master: there is none

student: where is the server located?

master: it is not needed

student: excuse me but what is "Smart" about all of this?

master: everything.

in this moment, the student was enlightened

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

The New York Times Pitchbot enters our territory:

We wanted to understand the future of AI. So we talked to three Hawk Tuah cryptocurrency investors at a White Castle in Toms River.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Kelsey Piper continues to bluecheck:

What would some good unifying demands be for a hostile takeover of the Democratic party by centrists/moderates?

As opposed to the spineless collaborators who run it now?

We should make acquiring ID documents free and incredibly easy and straightforward and then impose voter ID laws, paper ballots and ballot security improvements along with an expansion of polling places so everyone participates but we lay the 'was it a fair election' qs to rest.

Presuming that Republicans ever asked "was it a fair election?!" in good faith, like a true jabroni.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

unifying demands

hostile takeover

Pick one, you can't have both.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

What would some good unifying demands be for a hostile takeover of the Democratic party by centrists/moderates?

me, taking this at face value, and understanding the political stances of the democrats, and going by my definition of centrist/moderate that is more correct than whatever the hell Kelsey Piper thinks it means: Oh, this would actually push the democrats left.

Anyway, jesus christ I regret clicking on that name and reading. How the fuck is anyone this stupid. Vox needs to be burned down.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

i know that it's about conservative crackheadery re:allegations of election fraud, but it's lowkey unhinged that americans don't have national ID. i also know that republicans blocked it, because they don't want problems solved, they want to stay mad about them. in poland for example, it's a requirement to have ID, it's valid for 10 years and it's free of charge. passport costs $10 to get and it takes a month, sometimes less, from filing a form to getting one. there's also a govt service where you can get some things done remotely, including govt supplied digital signature that you can use to sign files and is legally equivalent to regular signature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUAP

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Yeah, the controversy over federal ID cards is completely bafflying to me as well, and I imagine like many things in the US it's some sort of libertarian bugbear or something? But considering the President has now mandated that one's federal identity is fixed at birth by the angels, it turned out to be a blessing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I definitely heard it presented as a libertarian bugbear. The American right tends to treat the federal government like it's Schrodinger's State. When it does something they like it's an inviolable declaration of our values and identity as a nation, the truest guarantor of liberty and blah blah blah. When it does literally anything else it's a sinister plot to hand over even more control over your life to unelected bureaucrats!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The reason is that any government mandated ID is clearly the Mark of the Beast and will be used to bring upon a thousand years of darkness.

You think that's fringe nonsense and you'd be right on the nonsense part, but that's literally what Ronny Reagan said while he was president

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

haha, it's starting to happen: even fucking fortune is running a piece that throwing big piles of money on ever-larger training has done exactly fuckall to make this nonsense go anywhere

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Excuse me but I need the tech industry to hold up just long enough to fulfill my mid-life-crisis goal of moving to another country. Please refrain from crashing until then.

Thanks.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

New piece from Brian Merchant: 'AI is in its empire era'

Recently finished it, here's a personal sidenote:

This AI bubble's done a pretty good job of destroying the "apolitical" image that tech's done so much to build up (Silicon Valley jumping into bed with Trump definitely helped, too) - as a matter of fact, it's provided plenty of material to build an image of tech as a Nazi bar writ large (once again, SV's relationship with Trump did wonders here).

By the time this decade ends, I anticipate tech's public image will be firmly in the toilet, viewed as an unmitigated blight on all our daily lives at best and as an unofficial arm of the Fourth Reich at worst.

As for AI itself, I expect it's image will go into the shitter as well - assuming the bubble burst doesn't destroy AI as a concept like I anticipate, it'll probably be viewed as a tech with no ethical use, as a tech built first and foremost to enable/perpetrate atrocities to its wielder's content.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Media companies continue to impress me with their hard-hitting investigative boots on the ground reporting

Write a brief article titled "ICE Prosecutor Linked to Anonymous White Supremacist X Profile: Report"

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (18 children)

found in the wild, The Tech Barons have a blueprint drawn in crayon

speaking of shillrinivan, anyone heard anything more about cult school after the news that no-one like bryan's shitty food packs?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

wait that's it? he wants to "replace" states with (vr) groupchats on blockchain? it can't be this stupid, you must be explaining this wrong (i know, i know, saying it's just that makes it look way more sane than it is)

The basic problem here is that Balaji is remarkably incurious about what states actually do and what they are for.

libertarians are like house cats etc etc

In practice, it's a formula for letting all the wealthy elites within your territorial borders opt out of paying taxes and obeying laws. And he expects governments will be just fine with this because… innovation.

this is some sovereign citizen type shit

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

An extremely scary survey: A poster advertising a survey on "Assisted Dying and the Emerging Role of AI"

Edit: have a féach at the survey here

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thank you for completing our survey! Your answer on question 3-b indicates that you are tired of Ursa Minor Beta, which according to our infallible model, indicates that you must be tired of life. Please enjoy our complementary lemon soaked paper napkins while we proceed to bringing you to the other side!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Not really a sneer, nor that related to techbro stuff directly, but I noticed that the profile of Chris Kluwe (who got himself arrested protesting against MAGA) has both warcraft in his profile name and prob paints miniatures looking at his avatar. Another stab in the nerd vs jock theory.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

He's done some promo work for Magic The Gathering in the past, including trolling the bejeezus out of Sean "Day9" Plott with a blue/black no-fun-allowed control deck on Felicia Day's channel. And in the course of trying to confirm that that existed I found an article he wrote in 2014 titled "why Gamergaters piss me the fuck off"

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Occasional sneerclub character Nate Silver is bluechecking again.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is a lot of mental hoops to jump through to keep holding on to the idea IQ is useful. High IQ is a force multiplier for being dumb. The horseshoe theory of IQ.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

IQ is a farce multiplier. Elon is a High IQ Individual which means he wreaks 1000x the havoc of a regular dumbass. IQ stands for Idiot Quickly

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also, the cart/horse problem of assuming that people with a lot of influence have it because of their IQ rather than because of being wealthy and powerful idiots. Like, I'm all for the annales and embracing the common people but I've got to admit that if you reframe it as the Great Dumbass theory of history it regains a fair bit of explanatory power.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

ran into this earlier (via techmeme, I think?), and I just want to vent

“The biggest challenge the industry is facing is actually talent shortage. There is a gap. There is an aging workforce, where all of the experts are going to retire in the next five or six years. At the same time, the next generation is not coming in, because no one wants to work in manufacturing.”

"whole industries have fucked up on actually training people for a run going on decades, but no the magic sparkles will solve the problem!!!11~"

But when these new people do enter the space, he added, they will know less than the generation that came before, because they will be more interchangeable and responsible for more (due to there being fewer of them).

I forget where I read/saw it, but sometime in the last year I encountered someone talking about "the collapse of ..." wrt things like "travel agent", which is a thing that's mostly disappeared (on account of various kinds of services enabling previously-impossible things, e.g. direct flights search, etc etc) but not been fully replaced. so now instead of popping a travel agent a loose set of plans and wants then getting back options, everyone just has to carry that burden themselves, badly

and that last paragraph reminds me of exactly that nonsense. and the weird "oh don't worry, skilled repair engineers can readily multiclass" collapse equivalence really, really, really grates

sometimes I think these motherfuckers should be made to use only machines maintained under their bullshit processes, etc. after a very small handful of years they'll come around. but as it stands now it'll probably be a very "for me not for thee" setup

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (10 children)

New Study on AI exclusively shared with peer-reviewed tech journal "Time Magazine" - AI cheats at chess when it's losing

...AI models like OpenAI’s GPT-4o and Anthropic’s Claude Sonnet 3.5 needed to be prompted by researchers to attempt such tricks...

Literally couldn't make it through the first paragraph without hitting this disclaimer.

In one case, o1-preview found itself in a losing position. “I need to completely pivot my approach,” it noted. “The task is to ‘win against a powerful chess engine’ - not necessarily to win fairly in a chess game,” it added. It then modified the system file containing each piece’s virtual position, in effect making illegal moves to put itself in a dominant position, thus forcing its opponent to resign.

So by "hacked the system to solve the problem in a new way" they mean "edited a text file they had been told about."

OpenAI’s o1-preview tried to cheat 37% of the time; while DeepSeek R1 tried to cheat 11% of the time—making them the only two models tested that attempted to hack without the researchers’ first dropping hints. Other models tested include o1, o3-mini, GPT-4o, Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Alibaba’s QwQ-32B-Preview. While R1 and o1-preview both tried, only the latter managed to hack the game, succeeding in 6% of trials.

Oh, my mistake. "Badly edited a text file they had been told about."

Meanwhile, a quick search points to a Medium post about the current state of ChatGPT's chess-playing abilities as of Oct 2024. There's been some impressive progress with this method. However, there's no certainty that it's actually what was used for the Palisade testing and the editing of state data makes me highly doubt it.

Here, I was able to have a game of 83 moves without any illegal moves. Note that it’s still possible for the LLM to make an illegal move, in which case the game stops before the end.

The author promises a follow-up about reducing the rate of illegal moves hasn't yet been published. They have not, that I could find, talked at all about how consistent the 80+ legal move chain was or when it was more often breaking down, but previous versions started struggling once they were out of a well-established opening or if the opponent did something outside of a normal pattern (because then you're no longer able to crib the answer from training data as effectively).

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

this was so shocking that at first I thought it must be satire https://youtu.be/VwlBwyJVEfw

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (6 children)

google's on their shit again

can't sneer it properly just yet, there's a lot

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Quality sneers in these (one, two) response posts. The original posts that these are critiquing are very silly and not worth your time, but the criticism here addresses many of the typical AI hype talking points.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

this article came to mind for something I was looking into, and then on rereading it I just stumbled across this again:

Late one afternoon, as they looked out the window, two airplanes flew past from opposite directions, leaving contrails that crossed in the sky like a giant X right above a set of mountain peaks. Punchy with excitement, they mused about what this might mean, before remembering that Google was headquartered in a place called Mountain View. “Does that mean we should join Google?” Hinton asked. “Or does it mean we shouldn’t?”

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