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Good day nice people.

I, like many I'm sure, am taking Microsoft's discontinuation of Windows 10 support as an opportunity so switch over to Linux. As such, I have some questions about various things. I have included some context as to my personal use case at the end of the post should it be relevant.

  1. Does the distro I pick matter? There seems to be a lot of debate around which distro is best but a lot of the discussion I've seen breaks down to what each distro comes packaged with. This confuses me as if a distro doesn't come prepackaged with something can you not just install it? Or is there some advantage to preinstalled packages other than mild convenience? Are some components difficult to integrate into your local environment?

  2. One of the more salient differences I've seen between distros has been what the various companies and teams include aside from installed packages (such as snap and rolling out amazon search as a defult search), and the data they choose to retain/sell. Part of the reason I'm switching is due to Microsoft's forcing in of unwanted features and advertising. Is the company that owns whatever distro I choose likely to be a problem in the future? Are there particular ones to avoid/ones to keep an eye on?

  3. I am the sort of person who does like to tinker with things from time to time but I do also want to use my computer most of the time so I'd like to end up using a mature distro. I have identified a few frontrunners in my search but I have seen conflicting information on which of them is "mature" (sufficiently stable so I spend less time fighting my computer than I do using it as well as having a large enough community and resources to help me remedy issues I might come across). Do any of these seem like they wouldn't fit that bill? The frontrunners are: fedora, kubuntu, mint, pop and tuxedo.

  4. Does linux have issues interfacing with multiple monitors? Does it handle HDR okay?

  5. In terms of UI and workflow I really don't mind putting in some time tinkering with the DE, exploring it and getting it how I like. It seems Plasma KDE might be good for this? Please let me know if this is an incorrect assessment. If it is, does it matter what DE I choose? If so, is there something you could recommend for my use case.

My use case: I have a Nvidea build (RTX 2080). I have heard this can be an issue with Linux. I also have intermediate experience with linux through university and my job (with servers) as well as tinkering with SteamOS.

Things I use/do on my PC (roughly ordered in terms of priority):

  • Gaming including emulation
  • Firefox
  • VLC
  • Spotify
  • Discord
  • Godot
  • Visual Studio
  • Git
  • Photoshop cs6, audacity, davinci resolve
  • Misc "Tinkering" (Handbrake, dvd burners/rippers, Really any weird thing I come across that I want to tinker with)

Thank you very much for your time and help in cleaing up my confusion.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
  1. The main fundamental differences are the package manager, the way the system is setup (partitons, immutable distros), and possibly software you don't want installed. Aside from that, you can install basically anything on any distro. Some do make it easier than others to install new things though.
  2. Canonical (Ubuntu and direct spinoffs) and Manjaro are the ones I recommend avoiding, because their marketing and "general sentiment" goes against my opinions of the distros/maintainers. However, switching Linux distros (especially to another one with a similar base) is not nearly as daunting of a task as switching from Windows to Linux. Some corporate distro owners might pull something like advertising, but there's often an easy way out (except with snaps).
  3. As for the distros you mentioned, Fedora, Mint, and Pop!_OS are all good options. Mint and Pop!_OS are both based on Ubuntu, which could cause issues in the future, but Mint is working on a Linux Mint Debian Edition. Aside from that, my general recommendation is to stay close to upstream. Distros further downstream tend to break more often (think spinoffs of Ubuntu, Arch derivatives, forks of Fedora, etc). There are exceptions to this rule, like when a distro stays close to upstream.
  4. In recent times, it should all be working okay! We're "in the middle of a long time switch" from X11 to Wayland. Those are protocols for the way applications display to the screen. X11 is lacking features, like HDR, and can have issues with "weird" multimonitor setups. Wayland is being actively developed, multimonitor works fine, and HDR is available for some desktop environments (like KDE or GNOME). Not all distros default (or support) Wayland yet, so if you need HDR, pick a distro with KDE or GNOME as its desktop environment.
  5. This situation has gotten more complex with Wayland (one of the pain points still being worked on). The features you get partially depend on which DE (or wayland compositor) you choose. Previously on X11, this wasn't the case. For Wayland DEs, KDE is moving relatively fast, with new features nearly every release. GNOME is moving slower, but should cover most people's needs. As for tinkering around with your choice of UI/DE, there's many options available, but KDE offers by far the easiest customization possible (it's all in the settings menu). There's more complex, more customizable options available, but I wouldn't recommend them as a starting point.
  6. As for nvidia, it has been progressively getting better, but there are still nvidia specific issues that come up from time to time. There's not really much you can do about it, aside from following changelogs and updating when the thing you're running into is fixed.

Now for your list of applications:

  • Gaming (through steam) works great! There's definitely still issues, but I'd argue there's not really more issues than on Windows, just different issues. There is one category of games that's still problematic, games with kernel level anticheat. They do not and likely will never play on Linux. Other launchers (EA Play, Ubisoft Connect, Epic) can have their own issues, although there's often fixes/workarounds available rather quickly.
  • Firefox works just fine on Linux.
  • VLC works great too, although there are other options available that are more modern or better in some ways. It's up to you to decide what to use.
  • Spotify works just fine, there's always the website in case nothing else works, but the "app" as a flatpak or even through repos works too.
  • Discord has some issues accepting that Linux exists, but have recently started making some changes with that. Most people either use Disocrd in the webbrowser (to prevent too much system access), or run a custom client like Vesktop.
  • Godot works great on Linux, I don't have much else to say about it tbh.
  • Visual Studio Code too, it's basically just a webapp. Some integrations might be slightly different (like the terminal), but otherwise stuff "just works".
  • Git was quite literally made for Linux first (as a project, but also as a platform to run on).
  • Photoshop is going to be difficult to get running, if it works at all. You can certainly try, but it might be a good option to find an alternative for this one.
  • Audacity works great
  • Davinci Resolve does have a Linux version, but the free version can be picky about codecs. There's always tools to reencode your inputs, but it's not always convenient drag and drop.
  • Misc. tinkering is going to be much more fun, as things in Linux ecosystems are often open source. Not only can you mess around with tools that already exist, you can edit them, or even make your own. Some "niche" hardware might give you issues (like iirc the goxlr, or some capture cards).
[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (3 children)

None of that matters.

You need experience, not recommendations.

Install anything and play with it to learn.

If you will not go forward without a recommendation, Debian is fine and anything you learn will generally transfer to other distributions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Copy that. Sounds like I'm off to set up a Boot USB.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

i think they should try Bazzite, sounds ideal

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

this might be ringing in late, but consider a large USB disk with Ventoy on it. you can just drop multiple ISOs on it, and then select which one you want you boot from right at boot time.

this will give you the ability to easily try multiple distros without too much commitment.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Even if you only tinker with OS installation occasionally, Ventoy is a damn godsend!

Forget about "burning" ISO files to a usb stick, just put a bunch of raw ISO files on the stick and Ventoy will give you a nice boot menu to select from them - and a separate USB partition for user data as well. It's glorious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Good recommendation. Seems like it'd be a good way to rapidly try a few. I'll look into it. Thank you kindly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Always welcome. Sharing the good things is a part of the fun.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I would recommend you visit distrowatch.org as they have reviews of a great many distros over a long period. That would prepare you to form an opinion on what kind of experience you want to have.

Example - UI, ie. Desktop Environment: chose Gnome if you like Apples way of making things very polished and giving the user few (visible) options to tinker. Choose KDE if you like a "busy" UI with *all* the options exposed and a ton of desktop widgets. Choose MATE or LXDE if you like a snappy and minimalist approach.

Possibly the biggest differentiator between distros is their native package manager. You can take any distro and swap out eg. KDE for Gnome, but the package manager is fundamental and probably(?) impossible to replace fully.

Example: All the Debian based distros use DEB packages. You'll find a ton, though dine distros lag behind the most recent versions. Others use Redhat's RPM system, while still others build everything from source (which is slow as fuck but gets you to the cutting edge with all the knobs and dials). There's also the Snap and Flatpak systems which strive to supply platform agnostic packages, but do so with very different approaches.

Good luck!

[–] JustFudgnWork 7 points 4 days ago

I LOVE this comments section with so many correct, yet opposite views.

For reference I am on Mint where I installed KDE.

  1. My impression is that the distro does matter (a bit) but that lots of distros are very similar. The front runners you have listed all seem quite appropriate for your use case, but Fedora unlike the others updates more frequently and therefore is slanted towards more features.

The other ones are all based on Ubuntu and will offer a similar experience IF you took the time to switch out all the desktop environment, apps, settings tweaks, etc. However, the fact is that you probably won't do that, and unless there is a good reason to, why would you when you could install a kde/gnome distro anyway?

  1. I wouldn't worry about the ones you have listed at least, not comparable to Microsoft and at the end of the day it is still linux so it will be way way way easier to switch again if the companies try anything shifty. Ubuntu has made some controversial decisions around snaps but it seriously is on a different level to M$.

  2. All mature afaik. Mint and Fedora are both extremely popular.

  3. Multiple monitors has been fine for me. Not sure about HDR but look up and understand wayland vs X11.

  4. Plasma KDE is good! I would recommend Plasma or Gnome over Cinnamon if you know you want to tinker.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I like plasma kde but I dont think most vnc clients support it so remote desktop with a viewer seems out, rustdesk works but you have to manually accept the connection at the computer. Which works for me since I only remote desktop when moving to another room or going to the bathroom and I need to monitor something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

And here's me using a 15m long HDMI whenever I go to the loungeroom.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Im using cachy, I had to manually partition with gparted once in the install screen after using the usb since auto didnt work but the most recent cachyos dualboot yt video can walk you through that, I can find that for you if you need it, I used ventoy since I wanted to keep using my usb for data.

Look up linux desktop environments, that more decides the look, disto decides how and where you get packages, what kind you can install, etc. Like cachyos I use pacman or paru to get packages, elsewhere youd use something else and theyd pull from a different repo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Thank you kindly for the advice. I'll look into cachy. I'm sure I can figure it out.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

If you do not want your distro to force changes down your throat like Microsoft, maybe avoid Ubuntu.

“Stability” on Linux means two things. “Stable” distros like Debian or RHEL change their software infrequently. This is indeed stable. However, you will likely be unhappy with the old software and want to install newer stuff. Many of the ways this is done will cause actual instability (bugs and crashes). Also, old software may be missing features or hardware support. If you are a gamer for example, this could be a big deal—especially if you use NVIDIA.

Things are a bit better than they used to be with tech like Distrobox and Flatpak.

The frequently updated distros can actually be “more stable” for the same reasons as above. However, every once in a while some package is going to have a bug that may hit you before it is found. Arch or EOS are examples of such distros. They have massive software repositories that probably contain everything you will ever need. If you use one of these, check out the AUR (user contributed software repo).

Distros that fall in the middle, like Mint or Fedora, are what I would recommend for a new user. Compared to Windows, you will find them very tinker friendly and tweakable. Fedora is more Wayland ready (see below).

HDR is very, very new and is part of a change in core graphics tech from something called X11 to something called Wayland. From this point forward, Wayland is the better bet but, today, the quality of your experience is going to be very dependent of the “age of your software” issue above. For NVIDIA on Wayland, you want very up-to-date versions.

KDE Plasma is the most mature Wayland environment today, in my assessment. Others are coming along quickly. That does not yet help you now though.

Photoshop is going to be a problem for you. The most often recommended replacement for PS is GIMP. Unfortunately, GIMP has been on the verge of a major update for years. GIMP 3 has not shipped yet and most distros ship a far older version (2.10). Version 3 is a massive upgrade. However, you may still find it an unsatisfactory PS replacement. Some people use Photopea online.

Gaming on Linux works really well now. However, multi-player anti-cheat systems are Windows kernel only and so these games are going to be a problem. So, your experience will depend on what you play.

The other stuff on your list will work well. Linux of course has a lot more to offer, especially if you are a dev.

Good luck!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

#1. The distro matters, but not much tbh. The main difference is usually the package manager being used, the default DE/WM, init system (sysvinit/systemd/openrc), and the variant of packages they ship. #2. Avoid Ubuntu if so. #3. I recommend Debian stable. #4. Can't say much about HDR, multiple monitors are probably fine. (different refresh rate and such can be a hassle to configure tho) #5. Yes KDE is a good choice.

+Photoshop/VS probably runs in WINE but I'm not sure. You might need VM.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm gonna push back against your Ubuntu disparagement. In terms of "pushing" things, Ubuntu's abuses are really very marginal. Compared to Windows, the difference between Ubuntu and any other distro is vanishingly minimal in this regard. Meanwhile, Ubuntu is undeniably a solid and dependable distro with a 20-year track record behind it. For a beginner that should count for something.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Yeah sure but they do force snap for some packages (while making it look like apt running) and it isn't ideal. I don't see any reason to use ubuntu over debian unless I'm some corporation that needs to run the same version for 10 years with their subscription.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

The main reason for Ubuntu against Debian is the packages. For Ubuntu, they're much newer, and with PPAs (launchpad.net), you can often get more and/or newer packages built by other users. For debian, good luck, you're stuck with old packages (which is the intent of Debian stable, but not nice as a user, that's for server)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I, like many I'm sure, am taking Microsoft's discontinuation of Windows 10 support as an opportunity so switch over to Linux.

Welcome on board!

Does the distro I pick matter?

In short: Yes.

There seems to be a lot of debate around which distro is best

TL;DR: There's no distro that is best for everyone. Each individual has their own best. You just gotta find what suits you best.

but a lot of the discussion I've seen breaks down to what each distro comes packaged with

This is a thing of the past. With the excellent Distrobox, you can install any package from any distro on whatever distro you're running.

This confuses me as if a distro doesn't come prepackaged with something can you not just install it?

Even if we would disregard Distrobox, you should be able to install software that's not packaged. So, you're intuition is right.

Or is there some advantage to preinstalled packages other than mild convenience? Are some components difficult to integrate into your local environment?

Exactly. Managing software that's not packaged in any way comes with its own set of jank. So, new users are definitely discouraged. However, as mentioned previously, this whole issue is solved with Distrobox. And if you don't like CLI, BoxBuddy provides an excellent GUI and more. Again, this is mostly a solved problem.

One of the more salient differences I've seen between distros has been what the various companies and teams include aside from installed packages (such as snap and rolling out amazon search as a defult search), and the data they choose to retain/sell. Part of the reason I'm switching is due to Microsoft's forcing in of unwanted features and advertising. Is the company that owns whatever distro I choose likely to be a problem in the future? Are there particular ones to avoid/ones to keep an eye on?

So, what you're referring to is mostly a Ubuntu problem. They've made a couple of bad decisions in the past. Other than them, this is mostly non-existent.

Some peeps got question marks regarding distros like deepin, but I don't know if there's anything conclusive on this.

Lastly, some distros and/or (so-called) desktop environments might collect telemetry to improve themselves. But this is done in a way that suits free and open source software. Thankfully, if you've got problems with this, you can always turn it off.

I am the sort of person who does like to tinker with things from time to time but I do also want to use my computer most of the time so I'd like to end up using a mature distro.

So, all distros allow you to tinker. My question is: What is it you're tinkering with?

  • If you just want to have complete control on how your desktop environment behaves without going into (unofficial) extensions or editing text files, then you should at least take a look at the KDE Plasma desktop environment; which is literally found on all distros and very well supported.
  • If, instead, your definition of tinkering is more broad or otherwise different than what I suggested, then please feel free to elaborate.

I have identified a few frontrunners in my search but I have seen conflicting information on which of them is "mature" (sufficiently stable so I spend less time fighting my computer than I do using it as well as having a large enough community and resources to help me remedy issues I might come across). Do any of these seem like they wouldn't fit that bill? The frontrunners are: fedora, kubuntu, mint, pop and tuxedo.

  • Fedora is a good pick. Though, I've been daily-driving (a) Fedora(-derivative) for almost three years now. So I might be biased :P .
  • Regarding Kubuntu, let's just say that it's at least a controversial pick; problem being the Ubuntu part of the equation. I'd personally discourage you from going that route, but it's ultimately your choice.
  • Linux Mint is cool. I'd argue it does more hand-holding than Fedora, which is great to have as a beginner.
  • Pop!_OS is interesting. It has garnered a great fanbase for a good reason: System76 sells hardware with their software (i.e. Pop!_OS), so they obviously care. However, Pop!_OS has definitely seen better days. It's currently in limbo; the ambitious COSMIC desktop environment is just around the corner. But how smooth will the transition be? How much longer will Pop!_OS users have to endure with the relative lack of work put to the system they actually daily-drive? A lot of questions, but not a lot of answers. I'd personally discourage this as well.
  • Tuxedo OS is similar to Pop!_OS. But where Pop!_OS first went to champion the GNOME desktop environment to later 'abandon' it for their own COSMIC. Tuxedo OS, instead, turned their eyes towards KDE Plasma. From what I've heard, it's a good pick. As TUXEDO makes hardware just like System76 does, it's unsurprising for them to care as well.

Does linux have issues interfacing with multiple monitors?

Unfortunately, I'm not very familiar with multiple monitors. The few times I did need it, which was on Fedora with GNOME, it did work well. I suppose it should be fine.

Does it handle HDR okay?

On KDE Plasma, yes. On GNOME, from what I could gather, it should work starting from GNOME 48. Which is a couple of months away. Though, IIRC, some 'GNOME-powered' distros may have tried to support HDR in its experimental stage already. On Cinnamon, what we find on Linux Mint's flagship distro, AFAIK it's not great (yet) 😅.

In terms of UI and workflow I really don't mind putting in some time tinkering with the DE, exploring it and getting it how I like. It seems Plasma KDE might be good for this? Please let me know if this is an incorrect assessment. If it is, does it matter what DE I choose? If so, is there something you could recommend for my use case.

You hit the nail on the coffin. KDE Plasma would probably serve you best, yes. Eventually, you may want to explore Window Managers for how they could further enhance your workflow. But, let's take it easy :P . One step at a time. Start with KDE Plasma. Get comfortable with Linux and the whole ecosystem. And if it so happens that you're not satiated with KDE Plasma's workflow options and you'd like to explore other possibilities, then looking into WMs is definitely a worthwhile endeavor.

I have a Nvidea build (RTX 2080). I have heard this can be an issue with Linux.

Yup. It has been better lately, but thank you for bringing this up.

I also have intermediate experience with linux through university and my job (with servers) as well as tinkering with SteamOS.

Things I use/do on my PC (roughly ordered in terms of priority):

  • Gaming including emulation

Have you considered Bazzite?

Photoshop cs6

Out of everything, this could be a slight concern. You could make it work through Wine, and it seems to have decent results. If you're not opposed to using Photoshop CC 2021, there's this GitHub repo worth looking at as well.

davinci resolve

This is notoriously difficult to install. Thankfully, the excellent davincibox comes to the rescue. Furthermore, it's also found in the AUR and nixpkgs. Note that the Nix package manager can be installed on (almost) any distro, though it's relatively advanced.

Misc "Tinkering" (Handbrake, dvd burners/rippers, Really any weird thing I come across that I want to tinker with)

Assuming this "Tinkering" is the same as the one I asked you to elaborate/clarify before, then I can inform you that most distros handle it pretty well.


Alrighty, I think you've clearly demonstrated to have done your research. Thank you for that!

FWIW, assuming that KDE Plasma is your DE of choice (at least for now) for both its (relatively mature) HDR support and tinker-friendliness, then -out of your selected distros- only Fedora and Tuxedo OS remain to be considered.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think your response has so far been the most comprehensive. Thank you so much.

This is a thing of the past. With the excellent Distrobox, you can install any package from any distro on whatever distro you’re running.

I'd not heard of Distrobox sounds to me to be a perfect foil to the disparate package solutions out there. It gives me some peace of mind about not being locked into a package manager (Although as you point out, even without distrobox that wouldn't be an issue).

Lastly, some distros and/or (so-called) desktop environments might collect telemetry to improve themselves. But this is done in a way that suits free and open source software. Thankfully, if you’ve got problems with this, you can always turn it off.

I've really not got any problems with telemetry so long as it's just limited to the technicals and for OS improvement purposes. Sounds like I should be fine.

So, all distros allow you to tinker. My question is: What is it you’re tinkering with?

"Tinkering" in my case is pretty broad. You're correct when you suppose that I like to mess with UI aesthetics and workflows. The other misc tinkering I more mentioned in case there's some distros that are unsuited to working with strange or niche programs (such as the media encoding and physical media management stuff I mentioned). It sounds like that's not really much of a problem though. Anyway what counts as "niche" is very subjective so probably wasn't that helpful to mention.

Have you considered Bazzite?

I have not heard of Bazzite. It kinda looks to be perfect if I end up going with Fedora (It's the most recommended so far). My only concern is longevity, It seems to be quite new and I don't want to jump on just for it to be a flash in the pan. As I understand it though, even if it is, it's easy enough to change distros. Others have said to not be worried about locking oneself in and to just jump in and try. Also not a fan of "Gaming Mode" style UI but I guess I can just not use it.

Out of everything, this could be a slight concern. You could make it work through Wine, and it seems to have decent results. If you’re not opposed to using Photoshop CC 2021, there’s this GitHub repo worth looking at as well.

Honestly, not married to Photoshop at all. That's just what I use and I'm not any sort of power user by any measure.

Again, thank you very much for your detailed response.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think your response has so far been the most comprehensive. Thank you so much.

It has been my pleasure :D ! Thank you for reading through all of that 😅.

"Tinkering" in my case is pretty broad. You're correct when you suppose that I like to mess with UI aesthetics and workflows. The other misc tinkering I more mentioned in case there's some distros that are unsuited to working with strange or niche programs (such as the media encoding and physical media management stuff I mentioned). It sounds like that's not really much of a problem though. Anyway what counts as "niche" is very subjective so probably wasn't that helpful to mention.

Thanks for the clarification!

I have not heard of Bazzite.

Interesting. Its fan base can be rather vocal. Furthermore, it has been enjoying a very healthy amount of media coverage. Digital Foundry dedicated a video on it. And even LTT briefly mentioned it recently.

It kinda looks to be perfect if I end up going with Fedora (It's the most recommended so far).

I didn't quite capture the intent of this sentence. My bad. Would you mind elaborating/clarifying/explaining? Apologies if I'm coming across as obtuse 😅.

It seems to be quite new

Correct.

and I don't want to jump on just for it to be a flash in the pan.

I understand. I absolutely agree with you that e.g. Fedora's future is more certain than Bazzite. Even if the latter recently reiterated their continued support.

As I understand it though, even if it is, it's easy enough to change distros.

FWIW, the complete Fedora Atomic ecosystem -that Bazzite is part of- allows changing distros with a single command. The only limitation being that the designated distro has to be part of the ecosystem as well. So, even if Bazzite would implode one day after you've switched to it, you could just 'rebase' to (say) Fedora Kinoite.

Others have said to not be worried about locking oneself in

Agreed.

and to just jump in and try.

Kinda. It's more nuanced I think 😅.

Also not a fan of "Gaming Mode" style UI but I guess I can just not use it.

Exactly. Bazzite on desktops/laptops defaults to the DE after logging in. So, as you've noted already, you don't have to use it ;) .

Again, thank you very much for your detailed response.

You doubled down on the kind words. I appreciate it. Thank you for being you!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)
It kinda looks to be perfect if I end up going with Fedora (It’s the most recommended so far).

I didn’t quite capture the intent of this sentence. My bad. Would you mind elaborating/clarifying/explaining? Apologies if I’m coming across as obtuse 😅.

Ah, sorry. Just wanted to express that Bazzite seems to fit my needs quite well and that fedora has been recommended to me more than any other repo so far. So if after my investigations I do end up choosing fedora, Bazzite seems to be a good flavor to try.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No worries fam. And thanks for clarifying! With that clarification, I think I've found what has caused the confusion for me.

Bazzite, even if it's ultimately derived from Fedora, is actually not closely related to ('traditional') Fedora, but instead to Fedora Atomic.

Most of the people that have been recommending Fedora, actually meant the non-Atomic variants. And while this might seem minor, which arguably it is, it is important to be conscious of this distinction.

('Traditional') Fedora behaves a lot like most other distros. Fedora Atomic, instead, introduces a new paradigm. Bazzite goes all-in on this new model and we might even refer to it as next-gen (if you will). Though, it's important to mention that the next-gen part is only true within the context of Fedora. This is because Fedora has been the only distro to have clearly pronounced their ambitions in this direction. They even reiterated this in their Fedora Strategy 2028 and I quote: "Objective: Immutable variants are the majority of Fedora Linux in use". (Note that atomic is a rebranding of immutable)

So, within the context of Fedora, even if I don't see the traditional model being sunset anytime soon, the atomic variants do seem more promising in terms of longevity.

Personally, I'm a huge fan of Fedora Atomic; in particular the uBlue projects, so that includes Bazzite. Therefore, I absolutely welcome you on board for Bazzite. But, it's important to be aware that Bazzite is not representative of what ('traditional') Fedora is (or vice versa); it's not a "flavor".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Understood, I will continue aware of that distinction.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (5 children)

For a distro, I recommend Fedora KDE Spin. Fedora is beginner friendly, is widely supported, frequent updates (so less outdated packages), rock solid stable, works with gaming or anything else.

People recommend Linux Mint often, but I am just not a fan of how outdated the system is and its reliance on X11 (deprecated and insecure display server). I've daily driven mint before for like a year and it was good but I'm not a fan of cinnamon DE.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fedora Silverblue was VERY easy to install. I opted to go the GNOME route but its been great so far as a former windows user. I rebased from Fedora to Bazzite and it was dead simple. Been on Bazzite for a couple months now and have had no major issues. Figuring out my printer drivers was a bit tedious but it worked the first time once I got the process figured out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Bazzite is great Fedora-Atomic-based distro, especially for nvidia users. I had a friend move to Linux and that was the distro that worked. But in general, if someone is a programmer/Dev, they want to learn how to use Linux, or just install a lot of packages, I'd avoid Atomic.

Don't get me wrong, I use Atomic. But it isn't as straight forward as a traditional distro.

The equivalent of Bazzite but traditional Fedora is Nobara

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

re: Distros. Tuxedo is a strange one. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, it just doesn't normally feature in these discussions. I don't know much about it, so I couldn't say if it's a good option or not, but I'm curious what drew you to it?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Distros packaging software means that it is available to install with the package manager from their repositories. No distro provides every piece of software out there. This can be mitigated with Flatpak, Snap, GUIX, AppImage or, in a pinch, by compiling the required program yourself.

Sounds like you've already done most of the work. From what you've said, Fedora with Plasma sounds great for your use case. Good luck on your journey and glad to have you aboard!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

It is pretty hard to find software not available in Arch / AUR.

On non-Arch distros, installing an Arch Distrobox is my favourite way to install software not found in the native repos.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
  1. It matters as some distros have one maintainer or will offer you something ideological at great sacrifice, but you seem to already know that.

  2. No, the biggest difference is package manager, community forum in case you meed troubleshooting, default DE (eases troubleshooting), and release type.

There are three big families of distros: Debian / Fedora / Arch. Any distro that is a derative of either of these three use their package manager.

  1. Drop tuxedo and take a look at endeavourOS. It's arch-based and arch has the best package manager of all. Also KDE is their main DE. I use Manjaro because I prefer Xfce.

In case you do use EndeavourOS, one warning, DO NOT USE THE ARCH FORUM FOR TROUBLESHOOTING!!

(If you've heard of 'Sheldon Cooper' from the tv-series 'Big Bang theory' or 'Young Sheldon'. This forum is run by a real life version of him and you will get banned there immediately or very quickly, unlike other forums. Rule #1 of many is that any user troubleshooting admits that the issue is occuring on any OS other than Arch, including the closest deratives, will get banned.)

  1. No. Don't know what HDR is.

  2. Tinkering with the DE is definitely fun and you should play with it. Be careful though, because the freedom you're allowed also allows you to break things. But tinkering with the DE isn't the worst thing you could break.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (4 children)

If you had asked me Q1 a month ago, I would have said yes (and in general, it is a yes, with enough effort). But i run endeavour (arch) and my partner runs mint (which ships with the Cinnamon WM), and a few weeks ago I recommended that she try out KDE Plasma for its wayland support. Turns out, this is not something the mint community supports, you can't just install it through their software manager, and the mint forums will all tell you to switch to another distro that supports KDE. Meanwhile, on arch, I expect to be able to install it through pacman, choose it from SDDM, and I'm done. Maybe tweak something in my .config, but it's all downhill from there.

Just a datapoint. Some distros (and their communities) seem to be more receptive to experimentation than others, which can make trying new things easier/harder.

I would recommend fedora, debian, or endeavour + KDE/gnome. Good luck!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Too many distros to compare. If you want to tinker as a beginner and not have to reinstall for minor mistakes, go for something like OpenSUSE, it has Snapshotting with Rollback built in. You make a mistake, reboot to the previous snapshot and make it the default if everything is normal. NVidia also hosts a specific repo for OoenSUSE so I have never had graphics issues.

[–] jesse 4 points 3 days ago

As a 20+ year SuSE user, I agree it's a great distro. So much of this is just picking a distro that's decent on the desktop and going with it. I would say there are some wrong choices but there isn't one right choice.

Whatever distro OP picks, they should join the Lemmy/subreddit/forums for that distro and keep an eye on them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'll answer point by point, but the short answer is pick one and use it, if you have issues with it or want to try something different, switch, otherwise stick with it.

  1. Your understanding is mostly correct. There's the difference that each distro has a family tree which determines which package manager they use, Red hat based distros like Fedora use rpm, Debian based distros like Mint, Pop or Kubuntu use apt, etc. So it would be easier to switch from Mint to Kubuntu than from Fedora to Pop although not by much. The main difference between distros is philosophy, which honestly you shouldn't care too much currently as long as you aim at something beginner friendly.
  2. Probably not something to worry about, and if it comes to that you can just jump to another distro, trust me once you're familiar with Linux the distro matters less and less.
  3. Any of them (except for tuxedo which might be a good option but I don't know it) would be a good option. Personally I would recommend Mint, or at least a Debian based one since 3 of the ones you suggested are Debian based it would give you more options to switch easily if needed.
  4. It should, but your mileage might vary
  5. Any of them should be good for that, KDE/Plasma is a bit similar to Windows while also being very eye candy, so it's a good choice. Also it's the one used on the Steam Deck so you might be somewhat familiar with it already.

Extra: Nvidia should be fine as long as you use the official proprietary drivers (named nvidia, NOT nouveau). Photoshop doesn't work on Linux, so you might need to jump through hoops there, if it's not a hard requirement I suggest looking at Gimp for photo manipulation or Krista for drawing, good luck either way since it's uphill battle either way, one against Adobe anti-piracy measures and the other against an unfamiliar software.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

When you like to tinker with the DE, e.g. customising to your liking, then there would be no way around KDE as it is imho the most customizable DE. Gnome is rock solid and its UI is very concise and coherent but also not that customizable (out of the box).

When it comes to the Amazon and Snap Scandals, you might want to steer clear from everything that is Ubuntu based since it was Canonical who did those two things. Ubuntu based is for example Mint (unless you go Linux Mint Debian Edition which skips the ubuntu middle man) and Kubuntu.

HDR is afaik still maturing in Wayland: https://arewewaylandyet.com/

But Multi Screen support is not a big issue anymore.

nVidia used to be a problem since their opensource and also proprietary drivers were quite lacking. But this was afaik remedied last year.

Regarding the packages: yes in essence you could just install it afterwards, but there are three/four/five package formats that are only compatible with each other after some repackging has been done, one of those package formats only exists on one branch of Linux (snap), twos are universal (AppImage which is similiar to portable Apps in Windows, Flatpak) and three that are fundamental (DEB for debian based systems, RPM for IBM red hat (fedora), ZST for Arch based systems)

With your software list, you may run into issues regarding Photoshop CS6 as it is not supported in Linux and you would need alternatives (which includes relearning workflows) e.g. Krita and GIMP (both you can already run in windows to check them out and learn a bit)

Gaming is simple: check protondb.com to see if a given game runs in linux; steam exists, lutris exists for non-steam games.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

CS6 is platinum in Wine as well, so wouldn't expect any issues there if they want to run it that way.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

When you mention Visual Studio, do you mean VSCode or Visual Studio. Cus VSCode is supported on Linux but Visual Studio is not. Confusing right?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You already have great answers, so I'll just drop my recommendations. LMDE if you want something more stable, and Endeavour OS if you want to go a bit more in the weeds with a rolling release.

In the end, don't be afraid to try some for a few weeks and find one you like. One of the strength of Linux is that if you mess up, you can always reinstall,and it's not scary since you did it once already.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
  1. By and large, distros package the same software so which one you pick is a matter of taste. As a beginner, you won't have the knowledge to take advantage of documentation/instructions that are not written for your specific distro, so pick one of the more popular ones.

  2. No, distro owners won't be a problem in the same way that Microsoft or Apple are. Don't worry about that: the moment they do something unsavory (even remotely) their projects will be forked, and switching to a different distro is not that big of a deal anyway.

  3. If you like to tinker you will break your system, not because linux is fragile (it is not) but because knowledge of low-level stuff is widespread and the temptation to thinker with it is too great. I recommend you look into system snapshots and how they integrate with boot options (eg. opensuse tumbleweed automatically snapshosts your system when you update it and during boot you can choose to boot into a previous state - surely other distros do the same and, if yours doesn't, you can set it up yourself).

  4. The short answer is "use KDE" :)

  5. KDE is great and seems to suit you. The DE you choose matters (IMHO) more that the distro, because once you are familiar with a DE and its shortcuts it's a pain to switch, and also because once you are used to some feature it's enormously frustrating to switch to a DE that doesn't have it :)

From what I hear (I switched to AMD years ago), it's not hard to make the Nvidia cards work properly, but it's a recurring hassle and there are lots of things that are more fun to thinker with. Unless specific reasons you need an Nvidia card, I'd suggest selling it off and replacing it with a second-hand AMD/Intel one.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Shameless self promotion: https://lemm.ee/post/37682729

It won't answer all of your answers, but it should at least give you a good primer on what distros are and what are the main key takeaways.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Distros matter. Maybe less than you think.

For the most part, they all run the same software, including the desktop environment (user experience).

So, in many ways, choosing your distro is mostly choosing how it comes out of the box and how much work it will be to configure it how you want after the fact. Some distros will be closer to what you want out of the box. But you can basically turn any distro into any other distro with a little effort.

That said, some choices do run a bit deeper and are a lot harder to change. Package manager, init system, C library, and others are pretty baked in.

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