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LGBTQ+ rights are under attack across the world.

This a Community dedicated to the discussion of how to protect, advocate for, and restore LGBTQ rights!

With the rampant increase of Anti LGBTQ+ hate crimes, speech and laws internationally, the LGBTQ community globally no longer feels safe.

We refuse to stand by while injustice against our community reigns.

Here we will organize, and discuss ways to make our voices heard!

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Looking for Potential Mods (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

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As the title says, I'm looking for some potential mods to help run this community.

If you are interested, are a current mod of the QDL Subreddit, etc., then drop a comment to this post explaining why you believe that you would be a good fit for mod.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm down. I moderate for a few other subs so I have experience with the sort of fediverse jank that mods have to deal with, and I have a LOT of free time at my job so I'm on Lemmy a lot. I'm also transfem / NB so this is a matter that impacts me directly.

Full disclosure: I'm on record saying I disagree with the Lemmy Blahaj Zone admin's mod actions in the other LBZ sub I moderate, but I think in subs like this it's more than appropriate to have extremely low tolerance. So I'll be a much harsher mod than I am in 196.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There you go, you're all set.

Welcome to the Team.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Hello,

Be aware the reports don't federate, so people modding from non local accounts won't get reports.

Edit: don't always federate

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Blaze... You were already corrected on that by someone else some time ago and you're a mod too. Reports DO federate but it's just that sometimes they don't. Also try informing users that this will be fixed in the lemmy v1 to let them know it will be fixed. In fact it was already implemented and some other stuff needs work before the full release of v1.

This is literally misinfo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Short update: another user confirmed that report solving does not federate: https://lemmy.world/comment/15016278

See below, seems like everyone agrees in the end

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Just tested reporting a post on lemmy.world using my lemmy.ml account and I got the report on my lemmy.dbzer0.com account:

I can confirm that the report resolve didn't federate when I did it from the lemmy.dbzer0.com account. It also didn't federate on the second test when resolved on lemmy.world account and was still visible on the lemmy.dbzer0.com account.

That's still different from what was originally said and everyone would have benefited if it was just a bit longer and informative of the situation. I for example didn't knew that report resolving is guaranteed to not get federated and thought it's similar to report federation where that just sometimes happen. So I as a mod for months would have learned something new without going back and forth on this topic because of close but inaccurate info. Anyway, everyone came to an agreement so it's all good. Have a good day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

My blanket recommendation is just to use local accounts to mod. Between the intricacies of reports federating, reports resolve federating, etc., "report not federating" seems an acceptable generalization.

So I as a mod for months would have learned something new without going back and forth on this topic because of close but inaccurate info.

To be honest I wasn't sure of the details either, so it's not like I could have provided better. Anyway, this thread is now here so if we ever need to come back to this topic we'll be able to.

Have a good day too.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Edit: see this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37408959/16616048

that sometimes they don’t.

Indeed.

Below in the comments I quote https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4701 which was opened in May, and https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4744 which was closed last week.

Nutomic today

I implemented reports federation recently, in current versions it is not available at all. So you may have to wait until version 1.0, though @MrKaplan mentioned that he plans to backport it to 0.19.x

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37507379/16612227

v1 isn't released yet.

The current advice from LW is

Note that, due to a bug in Lemmy, you will not be able to see reports in the community since your account is on a different instance. You could work around it by making a lemmy.world account just for moderating.

https://lemmy.world/post/24616352?scrollToComments=true

How is this misinformation?

If it is, how come that none of the instance admins in that thread corrected me?

https://lemmy.world/post/24576402

Edit: I just tried it again, sent a report from a comment on [email protected] from my Lemmy.zip account. I have a remote account (the one I'm writing this comment with) as a remote mod. I did not get the report.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Thank you very much for the info.

@A_[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've already told @[email protected] that this is not the issue, and I've demonstrated to him that he's wrong.

Unfortunately, the federation issue isn't that simple. If it were, I would've submitted another LBZ application a long time ago. I'm unclear what exactly causes the problem, or if it's even one thing causing it...but what I do know is that even if you have a LBZ account, you won't get a complete list of reports because some of them don't federate properly.

SDF was the most reliable place to see a complete list, but they blocked LBZ and kbin today, so that really throws a wrench in things.... Qaz was the one who figured all this out, so when it's closer to morning time in his country I'll have to shoot him a message and find out what the next best place is.

In the meantime, I have an alt on lemm.ee that seems to catch most of what my LW account misses (@A_[email protected]). I can add it as a mod if you want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and I’ve demonstrated to him that he’s wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well...

Report federation used to work. I appointed several mods from other instances back then. The issue seemed to have appeared in May 2024 (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4701).

The issue has been closed last week (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4744), and the fix still has to be released.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The issue you linked applies to a version of Lemmy that neither LW or LBZ use. Or any instance, as far as I'm aware.

Again, looking at the modlog is all it takes to demonstrate that you're mistaken. We are actively resolving reports on our remote accounts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This other issue was also opened in May: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4744

I don't want to go through the update timelines of LW and LBZ, but on [email protected], LW admins still state that

Note that, due to a bug in Lemmy, you will not be able to see reports in the community since your account is on a different instance. You could work around it by making a lemmy.world account just for moderating.

https://lemmy.world/post/24616352?scrollToComments=true

I had a look at the modlog, it works in this case indeed ( https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/2942?page=1&actionType=All&modId=115895 ). I am not saying it never works. I am saying that there are known cases where it does not, which is why the LW admins recommend people to use local accounts. Maybe in this case it's because the report was from a LBJ account for a LBJ community?

I also posted about in 19 days ago on [email protected]: https://lemmy.world/post/24576402 . Other mods and admins reported other actions that would not federate. Nobody contradicted the fact that it could be working sometimes.

The consensus recommendation is just to use local accounts while we wait for the fix to be released. It's just easier than to try to figure out what works and what does not, in which conditions, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You don't see any reports from a non-local account.

Be aware the reports don't federate, so people modding from non local accounts won't get reports.

I am not saying it never works.

Maybe not currently, but that is what you have been saying.

Maybe in this case it's because the report was from a LBJ account for a LBJ community?

No.

There are federation issues with reports, but it's not as simple as you've been saying, and having a local account doesn't solve it. There's a reason Qaz has several alts modded at 196 outside of LBZ. He needs them because there are several reports that don't federate with LBZ, LW, or lemm.ee.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

No.

I was curious so I had a look:

A mod (probably from lemm.ee, but not sure as you can't see which mod this it without being a mod on the lemm.ee modlog) indeed removed it in lemm.ee if people look at the user modlog: https://lemm.ee/modlog?userId=126228

But the post is still up on LBZ: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21242663/12597647

And it doesn't show up in the LBZ modlog:

It also doesn't show up on the 196 community log on lemm.ee:

https://lemm.ee/modlog/675

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

There’s a reason Qaz has several alts modded at 196 outside of LBZ. He needs them because there are several reports that don’t federate with LBZ, LW, or lemm.ee.

So mods who don't have that specific set of alts don't see all reports? That should probably be raised to all the mods of the platform, as your team seems to be the only one aware of that issue.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

IIRC Qaz has mentioned it in the LBZ mod channel in Matrix at least once. If they didn't hear it from him, it should be obvious something's up when Ada tells them there are unresolved reports and their mod queue is empty.

If you feel it should be shouted from the rooftops, then nobody is stopping you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Hello @[email protected] ,

Could you please provide some details on why you need all of the alts to mod [email protected] ?

Seems like there are several reports that don’t federate with LBZ, LW, or lemm.ee.

That's a an issue that does not seems well know (as stated in the comments above, the general recommendation from the LW admins is to use a local account).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Some other AP platforms such as Kbin have many issues with federating reports and even bans / content removals. Some Lemmy instances don't federate reports due to defederation and some don't federate due to reasons that are still unknown. It's even possible for the community's host instance to not get any reports in some cases. It has happened before that after adding an alt, 80+ reports became visible that weren't visible from any other instance.

All in all, federation related to modding still feels really spotty and I often encounter weird problems, such as vanishing / inconsistent modlogs, reports not resolving (resolving reports doesn't actually federate, which is quite annoying), and plethora of other issues. It seems that so far the Lemmy devs have bren busy with other things and thus mods have had to learn to deal with it with various scripts and bots.

I have been planning on making a post discussing this, but I'm waiting for the problematic posts and images to be removed first.

(Also I have to go soon so I didn't have time to read the full discussion)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No worries, thanks for chiming in

resolving reports doesn’t actually federate, which is quite annoying

Seems to reflect my experience as well.

@[email protected], it looks like qaz and I both agree on this point?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah I actually had no idea that resolving reports didn't federate either. The situation is definately worse than I thought, but hopefully they'll fix it soon. Thank you (and Qaz) for looking into it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Glad to see we agree in the end!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

@[email protected], as you reported https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4701 , could you please tell if there any known occurrences of local moderators not getting reports for local communities?

You can read the thread above for details.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

I'm not even talking about LBZ or !196

If all reports don't make it to local mods, then that's an issue that's impacting the whole platform, hundreds of communities.

I'm to reread the thread when Moss and Ada explained their versions of the issue, because this doesn't seem right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

You are welcome. Thank you a lot for your posts on Reddit, I try to relay them on [email protected], you definitely make a difference!