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I'm down. I moderate for a few other subs so I have experience with the sort of fediverse jank that mods have to deal with, and I have a LOT of free time at my job so I'm on Lemmy a lot. I'm also transfem / NB so this is a matter that impacts me directly.
Full disclosure: I'm on record saying I disagree with the Lemmy Blahaj Zone admin's mod actions in the other LBZ sub I moderate, but I think in subs like this it's more than appropriate to have extremely low tolerance. So I'll be a much harsher mod than I am in 196.
There you go, you're all set.
Welcome to the Team.
Hello,
Be aware that ~~the reports don't federate, so people modding from non local accounts won't get reports.~~ the usual recommendation is to use local accounts do moderate, as remote accounts resolves of reports do not federate to the community host instance.
Edit: don't always federate
Blaze... You were already corrected on that by someone else some time ago and you're a mod too. Reports DO federate but it's just that sometimes they don't. Also try informing users that this will be fixed in the lemmy v1 to let them know it will be fixed. In fact it was already implemented and some other stuff needs work before the full release of v1.
This is literally misinfo.
Short update: another user confirmed that report solving does not federate: https://lemmy.world/comment/15016278
See below, seems like everyone agrees in the end
Just tested reporting a post on lemmy.world using my lemmy.ml account and I got the report on my lemmy.dbzer0.com account:
I can confirm that the report resolve didn't federate when I did it from the lemmy.dbzer0.com account. It also didn't federate on the second test when resolved on lemmy.world account and was still visible on the lemmy.dbzer0.com account.
That's still different from what was originally said and everyone would have benefited if it was just a bit longer and informative of the situation. I for example didn't knew that report resolving is guaranteed to not get federated and thought it's similar to report federation where that just sometimes happen. So I as a mod for months would have learned something new without going back and forth on this topic because of close but inaccurate info. Anyway, everyone came to an agreement so it's all good. Have a good day.
My blanket recommendation is just to use local accounts to mod. Between the intricacies of reports federating, reports resolve federating, etc., "report not federating" seems an acceptable generalization.
To be honest I wasn't sure of the details either, so it's not like I could have provided better. Anyway, this thread is now here so if we ever need to come back to this topic we'll be able to.
Have a good day too.
Edit: see this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37408959/16616048
Indeed.
Below in the comments I quote https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4701 which was opened in May, and https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4744 which was closed last week.
Nutomic today
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37507379/16612227
v1 isn't released yet.
The current advice from LW is
https://lemmy.world/post/24616352?scrollToComments=true
How is this misinformation?
If it is, how come that none of the instance admins in that thread corrected me?
https://lemmy.world/post/24576402
Edit: I just tried it again, sent a report from a comment on [email protected] from my Lemmy.zip account. I have a remote account (the one I'm writing this comment with) as a remote mod. I did not get the report.
Thank you very much for the info.
@A_[email protected]
I've already told @[email protected] that this is not the issue, and I've demonstrated to him that he's wrong.
Unfortunately, the federation issue isn't that simple. If it were, I would've submitted another LBZ application a long time ago. I'm unclear what exactly causes the problem, or if it's even one thing causing it...but what I do know is that even if you have a LBZ account, you won't get a complete list of reports because some of them don't federate properly.
SDF was the most reliable place to see a complete list, but they blocked LBZ and kbin today, so that really throws a wrench in things.... Qaz was the one who figured all this out, so when it's closer to morning time in his country I'll have to shoot him a message and find out what the next best place is.
In the meantime, I have an alt on lemm.ee that seems to catch most of what my LW account misses (@A_[email protected]). I can add it as a mod if you want.
Well...
Report federation used to work. I appointed several mods from other instances back then. The issue seemed to have appeared in May 2024 (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4701).
The issue has been closed last week (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4744), and the fix still has to be released.
The issue you linked applies to a version of Lemmy that neither LW or LBZ use. Or any instance, as far as I'm aware.
Again, looking at the modlog is all it takes to demonstrate that you're mistaken. We are actively resolving reports on our remote accounts.
This other issue was also opened in May: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4744
I don't want to go through the update timelines of LW and LBZ, but on [email protected], LW admins still state that
https://lemmy.world/post/24616352?scrollToComments=true
I had a look at the modlog, it works in this case indeed ( https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/2942?page=1&actionType=All&modId=115895 ). I am not saying it never works. I am saying that there are known cases where it does not, which is why the LW admins recommend people to use local accounts. Maybe in this case it's because the report was from a LBJ account for a LBJ community?
I also posted about in 19 days ago on [email protected]: https://lemmy.world/post/24576402 . Other mods and admins reported other actions that would not federate. Nobody contradicted the fact that it could be working sometimes.
The consensus recommendation is just to use local accounts while we wait for the fix to be released. It's just easier than to try to figure out what works and what does not, in which conditions, etc.
Maybe not currently, but that is what you have been saying.
No.
There are federation issues with reports, but it's not as simple as you've been saying, and having a local account doesn't solve it. There's a reason Qaz has several alts modded at 196 outside of LBZ. He needs them because there are several reports that don't federate with LBZ, LW, or lemm.ee.
I was curious so I had a look:
A mod (probably from lemm.ee, but not sure as you can't see which mod this it without being a mod on the lemm.ee modlog) indeed removed it in lemm.ee if people look at the user modlog: https://lemm.ee/modlog?userId=126228
But the post is still up on LBZ: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21242663/12597647
And it doesn't show up in the LBZ modlog:
It also doesn't show up on the 196 community log on lemm.ee:
So mods who don't have that specific set of alts don't see all reports? That should probably be raised to all the mods of the platform, as your team seems to be the only one aware of that issue.
IIRC Qaz has mentioned it in the LBZ mod channel in Matrix at least once. If they didn't hear it from him, it should be obvious something's up when Ada tells them there are unresolved reports and their mod queue is empty.
If you feel it should be shouted from the rooftops, then nobody is stopping you.
Hello @[email protected] ,
Could you please provide some details on why you need all of the alts to mod [email protected] ?
Seems like there are several reports that don’t federate with LBZ, LW, or lemm.ee.
That's a an issue that does not seems well know (as stated in the comments above, the general recommendation from the LW admins is to use a local account).
Some other AP platforms such as Kbin have many issues with federating reports and even bans / content removals. Some Lemmy instances don't federate reports due to defederation and some don't federate due to reasons that are still unknown. It's even possible for the community's host instance to not get any reports in some cases. It has happened before that after adding an alt, 80+ reports became visible that weren't visible from any other instance.
All in all, federation related to modding still feels really spotty and I often encounter weird problems, such as vanishing / inconsistent modlogs, reports not resolving (resolving reports doesn't actually federate, which is quite annoying), and plethora of other issues. It seems that so far the Lemmy devs have bren busy with other things and thus mods have had to learn to deal with it with various scripts and bots.
I have been planning on making a post discussing this, but I'm waiting for the problematic posts and images to be removed first.
(Also I have to go soon so I didn't have time to read the full discussion)
No worries, thanks for chiming in
Seems to reflect my experience as well.
@[email protected], it looks like qaz and I both agree on this point?
Yeah I actually had no idea that resolving reports didn't federate either. The situation is definately worse than I thought, but hopefully they'll fix it soon. Thank you (and Qaz) for looking into it.
Glad to see we agree in the end!
Honestly, I appreciate the effort you put into looking into it, but we could've saved a lot of effort and time if you had looked at the modlog like I suggested 3 weeks ago. Or, idk, trusted that I wasn't lying to you?? Or, I know you have like 4 alts, too, so you also could have just tested it yourself before spreading misinfo to new mods.
It wasn't harmful misinfo, but it's misinfo nonetheless and I'm not gonna lie, it's annoying that it took this much work to correct you. Especially after your antagonistic behavior in the past. And especially especially after I've already demonstrated to you that the problem as you presented it was wrong, and (if Martineski wasn't mistaken) at least one other person also told you you were wrong.
I agree with Martineski: Going forward, accurately convey the problem and inform people that it'll be fixed in Lemmy v1.
Wait, what? Are we supposed to start the whole discussion again?
Why would I look at the modlog when everyone involved on this topic agrees that using local accounts is the recommendation to mod from local accounts?
I didn't say you were lying, I was saying that you were not following the recommendation that is to use local accounts to mod. You still don't, by the way, for both this community and [email protected].
The other person is you.
I was getting antagonistic because it was the straw that broke the camel's back. That you mods were power tripping by wanting to move !196 to lemmy.world against the community's will was already bad, but then when you confessed you didn't even have a local account, (and that hence your handling of the reports would not federate to LBZ), that was the just too much.
It's okay to make mistakes, but it's usually better to recognize them.
Anyway, long live [email protected]
The issue as you were presenting it was just wrong. Plain and simple. If you're not going to own it, that's your prerogative.
Me and Qaz both have told you now that having a local account doesn't solve the issue. You need several alts, local and remote.
Let's give it another go then.
If you are the only mod team in the entirety of Lemmy who use a specific alt to get more reports, this should be raised, and all mod teams should have that specific set of mods.
I just had a look at the
All of those LW communities are probably the one with the most reports as they are the most active of the whole platform. None of those team use remote accounts to mod.
There may be something strange happening with the LBJ setup (potentially due to the high number of users and instances banned). Let's hope qaz can detail more when they have more time.
That whole issue does not change anything to the fact that for the report resolve to actually work, you need to use a local account as remote accounts don't federate.
I edited my comment for completeness, but it does not change the key message: it is recommended to use local accounts to be able to perform all mod actions (while we wait for qaz detailed explanation). The reasons behind doesn't change anything to the recommendation.
Also, following your own logic, you have directly asked the mod of this community to add your lemm.ee account as a mod to catch all the reports rather than just suggesting it as an afterthought. But it seems like you're only using this argument as an excuse to defend why you were not wrong by wanting to mod from a LW account.
They can recommend whatever they want. Doesn't change the fact that local alts have the same issue, and you need several.
I'm not making any argument other than to counter your claim that reports don't federate at all. That's misinformation. Which you seem to understand now, so why you're still arguing is beyond me.
Now you're the one spreading misinformation. Let's revisit this topic once qaz can make that post.
Enjoy using your remote account that cannot actually resolve the reports.
He already told you, but okay
@[email protected], as you reported https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4701 , could you please tell if there any known occurrences of local moderators not getting reports for local communities?
You can read the thread above for details.
I'm not aware of any cases of reports not reaching the community instance other than "generic" federation issues that could happen from misconfiguration or some random issues, but generally since 0.19 and the persistent federation queue it should be quite reliable. before that there was no retry logic if an activity failed to send and it was just discarded.
I'm not entirely sure on the behavior on banned users though, if the reporter is instance banned it'll probably ignore their report. other than that I can't think of anything right now.
Hello,
Thank you for chiming in.
There is also an edge case when someone from let's say exploding-heads reports another user from exploding-heads (which is not federated with Blahaj). Blahaj probably wouldn't get the reports, but someone on lemmy.sdf.org would, as they don't defederated exploding-heads?
Anyway, not that critical.
I'm not even talking about LBZ or !196
If all reports don't make it to local mods, then that's an issue that's impacting the whole platform, hundreds of communities.
I'm to reread the thread when Moss and Ada explained their versions of the issue, because this doesn't seem right.
You are welcome. Thank you a lot for your posts on Reddit, I try to relay them on [email protected], you definitely make a difference!