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It appears the US congress has just proposed (edited) a bill that declares "Antifa" a terrorist organization.

This doesn't even make sense as Antifa isn't an organization, but just a shared name for anyone that self-identifies as a person opposed to and willing to fight fascism 🤦‍♂️

Stay safe out there!

Note: SLRPNK is an EU based service and we are openly Antifa here, and proudly so!

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[–] [email protected] 254 points 1 week ago (1 children)

sooo theyre announcing they are officially pro fascism. got it.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Antifa are the real fascists. We need to end the menace of foreign sponsored radical leftists. The tankies would be worse" is a thing conservatives routinely say to get liberals to follow along with henious state violence

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Except calling people "tankies". I had never even heard the word before joining Lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 193 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So in America anti-fascists are terrorists and murderous insurrectionists are heroes. Their forefathers must just be spinning in their graves.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Either the voters wanted it, or the sit outs didn't think it was that big a deal. That's how they won, basically. Of course they will blame the politicians and the system for giving them bad candidates. I mean, the alternative is to take responsibility for their cluster fuck.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 week ago

There was also a shit ton of voter suppression and gerrymandering that made taking both houses of congress way easier. It was a lot of things combined.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Our forefathers owned slaves. 🙄

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (12 children)

And yet even with that, they were still against authoritarians like we have now. We are objectively worse than slave owners.

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The purpose of targeting an organization that doesn't exist is that anyone who opposes the state can be labeled antifa, and therefore a terrorist.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

👆☝️👆☝️

This right here. Tyrants make up laws that are nebulous enough that you can charge whoever you want with them.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Important detail: It isn't a bill that's been passed. It's only been introduced and referred to the judiciary committee. It'll be bigger news if it gets out of the committee, goes to the floor, and gets passed.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the clarification, I edited the post.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Can we get a bill declaring proud boys a terrorists group?

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No. Those are very fine people.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Their leader just got their sentence reduced, I think that sends a pretty clear message

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remember to get your official Antifa membership cards at https://antifa.org

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

That is amazing.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lookin' good America.

We should elect more people that do things like this instead of passing legislation to help struggling Americans.

But, oh no, we already told the party with a voting history proving they do that on a regular basis to go fuck themselves and elected people who want to label ANTI-FASCISTS terrorists instead while releasing 1,500 actual terrorists who performed an actual terrorist act back into our society without serving their time.

Clown country.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Clown country

The clown:

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

those poor fascists 😢

istg these new policies sound like they were made by a 11 year old conservative - except they're from an 80 year old fascist.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Apparently they are actually written by an intern with the help of ChatGPT 💩

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

at this point id believe that. its only been a couple of days after his inauguration and destroyed all his ties to other countries, revoke nb's passports and accelerate the gazan genocide

beyond parody

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The vagueness is the point. Vague laws transfer the power to those who enforce it (ACAB) who get to decide if that law applies in that case.

It's the same strategy used by the Spanish inquisition. Who's a witch? Keep it vague, and that answer becomes fully arbitrary and dependent on different social factors (such as people trying eliminate others and take their land by using such accusations). It also encourages everyone else to "signal" that they're not whatever the bad label is... as a precaution. Preemptive antiantifa. This is basic conservative society shit.

We saw the same thing since 2020 with the right-wing turning mask wearing into a signal for "weakness & femininity" and "leftism", and large numbers of conservatives decided that it was better to get COVID-19 and long COVID. Note that this wasn't STATE controlled, but it wasn't organic either, it was more of a private astroturfing phenomenon.

I'm not sure what the solution is, and I doubt that it's just one single thing, but I'd love to see some ideas.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So antifa has a leader and a headquarters now? Is there a secret handshake? Dang. Nobody tells me anything.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

They opened up next to Anonymous.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And this is what'll make eggs cheaper, right?

...right?

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

Neonazis, ok. Fighting against neonazis, not ok. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Maybe we just call ourselves "antfash" and if they ask we are just really into dressing up ants?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Go for it. There's no such thing as antifa outside the minds of chuds. There's no organization. No roster of "members"

It's just people who are anti-fascist as a principle. And every living WWII vet.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (6 children)

That won't stop them from branding any opposition as a member of antifa to justify terrorism charges. This is alarming because it is a step in systematically suppressing opposition.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Reeks of McCarthyism

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

This is why you don't let the nazis organize freely. They will always do what you should have done to them. Even when they had Trump on actual crimes they made sure that he would get the best possible chance to get away with it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's just a bottomless pit of stupidity

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not stupidity when Nazis declare antifascists to be terrorists.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Since this is an EU community it should be mentioned that this cannot become law in the US without passing the Senate. Which is usually a much higher bar. The US House of Representatives is known for suggesting outrageous stuff that never even gets heard in the Senate.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

My grandfather was antifa and so am I. The 1911 is a solid choice for nazis.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I remember the day that I applied to be a member of the ANTIFA organization. It was a gorgeous day, the sun warmed my back as I walked into their headquarters, documents in hand.

I met with the president, board members and committee. They gave me a uniform, took my picture, and printed an ID.

Then, I was invited into the private group chat, which everyone in ANTIFA is in.

But, times have changed.

Since then, they sold my data, and now I get fucking Dominos Pizza coupons all day. How am I meant to fight fascism with fucking pizza.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It’s marjorie taylor greene bullshit. Hopefully the rest of congress is smarter than this.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

They want it again? Oh well, predictable as a clockwork.

An article from 2020, when Trump & co wanted it last time:

What Is Antifa, the Movement Trump Wants to Declare a Terror Group?

What they failed to learn last time:

Rather, antifa is more of a loose movement of activists whose followers share some philosophies and tactics.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Who even is antifa? There isn't an artifacts meeting every Thursday bcz it isn't a group.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For the purposes of the autocrats though, a group that isn't really a group is the best kind.

If nobody's a certain member, everybody's a possible member.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

That's the fun part. Antifa is anyone they claim them to be. It's also funny to me how Jan 6th was antifa right up to trump pardoning them.

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