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"The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants as criminals," Petro wrote. Petro said even though there were 15,660 Americans without legal immigration status in Colombia, he would never carry out a raid to return handcuffed Americans to the United States. "We are the opposite of the Nazis," he wrote, in a jab at Trump. Mexico also refused a request last week to let a U.S. military aircraft land with migrants.

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[–] [email protected] 258 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (18 children)

Nobody's ever gonna trust the US ever again after Trump. Guy just thinks he can bully entire countries to his will.

It's a showing of everything that's wrong with american exceptionalism...

[–] [email protected] 203 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That we elected him twice, not even consecutively, means that we can effectively never be trusted in our current state. Even if a psychopath leader is voted out, the American people are stupid enough to vote him back in once our goldfish memories fade.

May Europe and Latin America find their strength to be the democracies the world needs. The US, always a flawed example, can no longer be relied on even in matters of self-interest.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The way Nixon screwed up South Vietnam back in the 60s kind of indicated how the US puts excessively too much power in the hands of its presidents and result in random foreign policies

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

The random policies is the thing for me.

Talking (and sometimes going through with it) about pulling out of random international agreements and organisations like the Paris climate agreement and WHO. Then talking about invading other countries (including allies) and imposing tariffs on everything and everyone.

Also, both times that he got in, it seems like he had the previous administration’s achievements as his todo list for things to undo.

It’s like dealing with a whole new country every four or eight years.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Even if a psychopath leader is voted out, the American people are stupid enough to vote him back in once our goldfish memories fade.

Or a different psychopath leader doing and saying the exact same things, but: "The Republican party have learned their lesson, they've changed!"

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

He forgot the tagline to actually affecting American exceptionalism as a goal:

"Speak softly and carry a big stick"

Doing this bombastic stuff just makes him / the government look weak.

Note that I'm not subscribing to American exceptionalism, but describing past efforts to achieve / demonstrate it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Trump speaks biggly and carries a soft stick.

Trump thinks tariffs are some great threat and yeah they cut into US imports but countries will just export to other countries instead. Meanwhile the US implodes from lack of goods since nobody can afford to pay the tariffs. The only thing Trump is going to achieve is accelerating this coming recession into a full blown depression.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Yup. Biden had just started to return stability and reassure allies, even with one arm tied behind his back for his entire term, just so that Trump can fuck everything up again. I hope a true American ally sees him for the threat he is and we have an Ebrahim Reisi situation

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (28 children)

Everyone needs to remember this is how the “Final Solution” started. They originally just wanted to deport everyone they didn’t like. Then other countries started saying No. so they came up with other ideas.

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[–] [email protected] 128 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I hope the rest of the world keeps standing up.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Colombia has nothing to lose. The country is already in the black list for narco traffic. They suffered political meddling from the US in the 70s/80s. What next? Invasion? The cartels would be the first to pick up arms to fight back.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not looking for perfect. I'm looking for people saying fuck you to our newly installed dictator.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Exactly. No matter from where it comes, a push back is a push back.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would beg to differ. We have a lot to lose. We get millions of dollars for our armed forces and anti drug forces to fight the guerrillas (narco terrorists). If Petro keeps pushing, Trump could take that away. We are going through an increase of violence in the Catacumbo region. That means investors are already nervous. This issue with the US government could affect our economy even more. As always innocent folks will get caught in the middle of the armed conflict and any terrorist acts. We also have a ton of export trade with the US obviously starting with coffee, but lots of other industries (flowers, cacao, fruits, etc.)

Anyway, we could get fucked if Petro and Trump can't work things out. I don't expect they will, since they both behave like children.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

It's likely to be taken away anyway. There is a vocal group in the US pushing for more isolation and less funding for those types of aid. The Trump admin will keep raising the vig if you capitulate now.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

If every country could come up with a way to personally annoy him (refuse to give away their largest territory, build taller buildings all around his hotels, call him a silly name, etc.) all the tariffs would essentially cancel each other out. If everything's tariffed, nothing's tariffed.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 week ago (42 children)

Mass deportations are the prelude to death camps.

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[–] Boozilla 61 points 1 week ago

Tariffs hurt America. The messaging is that simple.

Watch as we fuck up the messaging.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Coffee prices already suck, now they're gonna suck even more.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago

Oh no! Don Jr. will pay his snow 25% more!

[–] LemoineFairclough 38 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It seems the specific problem was that military planes were being used instead of civilian planes:

That is why I returned the U.S. military planes that were carrying Colombian migrants... In civilian planes, without being treated like criminals, we will receive our fellow citizens.

That does make sense to me, since I'd feel less comfortable if a military plane was flying into my country, whereas I'd be more comfortable if a regular civilian flight was used instead. From the perspective of a Colombian, I would be concerned about how national security would be affected by giving permission for military planes to operate when they wouldn't otherwise have permission.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the main cause for every country that refuses the migrants, who the heck would want militaty planes to enter their air space?

If he really wants to do this he'll send them over in civilian planes not military ones...

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I wish the lunatics voters that support this would realize how expensive each of these flights are, at tax payers expense! Easily $30k per flight and Trump is aiming for thousands of these flights!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

I heard $800,000 with about 80 people per flight. Good and cheap!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Columbia imposed 50% tarrifs on all US goods.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What goods do we export to Columbia?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A lot of technology goods. Which basically means China, which was already doing a lot of their manufacture, wins out. China is going to be moving all in on the US international market as it continues to ramp up this way, and the US will be left increasingly alone when it is eventually forced to aid Taiwan in its defense.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

The cherry on top is Trump rescinding the CHIPS act which was supposed to bring more silicon electronics manufacturing to the US, meant to make our microchip supply more resilient. Not only is it cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, it's also shooting ourselves in the foot (and then blaming Woke when the obvious consequences come knocking home).

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

If it comes from China, it won’t have a tariff. That’s why those tariffs won’t work in the US. We will just work with “other vendors” who eventually are just China, with extra steps (and cost). I can’t think of much that the US exports, besides weapons, that can’t be bought somewhere else.

The only one suffering is the USA. The entire world does not need us, and most of them are sick of our shit.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

U.S. goods exports to Colombia in 2022 were $20.8 billion, up 24.2 percent ($4.1 billion) from 2021 and up 27 percent from 2012. U.S. goods imports from Colombia totaled $18.5 billion in 2022, up 40.3 percent ($5.3 billion) from 2021, but down 25 percent from 2012.

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/colombia#:~:text=U.S.%20goods%20exports%20to%20Colombia,down%2025%20percent%20from%202012.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Colombia's president already agreed to take all deportation flights, so tariffs are canceled.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Important to note that the agreement came after the deportees would be transported humanely on commercial flights as I understand it.

Can’t let the MAGA morons claim victory as though Colombia just caved in fear

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