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Hi! In thinking about how to help the fediverse grow, I wonder if there are more mainstream Lemmy instances?

I've pointed a couple folks to Lemmy.world and it's uhhh, pretty hard Left for them (as one girl, who volunteered for the Democrats said "I just got yelled at because I can't be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.") We're much farther Left than reddit which itself was definitely Left of centre...

I don't know if decentralized open source social media actually attracts many mainstreamers but assuming we want to grow the fediverse, I'd like to have somewhere I can point people to without feeling very nervous for them.

Thanks!

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[–] CidVicious 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I seriously doubt most normies would enjoy Lemmy. But sh.itjust.works seems pretty middle of the road.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Thanks, I'll check it out!

I just love the idea of non corpo social media but to get the network effects to scale we need the normies...!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly liberals probably fit into lemmy fine. I’ve seen my fair share.

But your view of “normie” is heavily american centric. Your normies are probably far right in much of the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Unless “much of the world” is just the West please remember many nations are still under authoritarian rule.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

My impression is that Lemmy and the fediverse are a manifestation of the dissatisfaction with the current "normal" and "mainstream" social media platforms which are in decline due to hyper-capitalism. Is it no wonder the majority of its users' ideology doesn't align with what is "normal" and "mainstream"?

That being said, this system is designed so that communities can exist independently from one-another. You're always welcome to create your own. Otherwise, lemmy.world is just about as "normal" as you're going to get out of Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I dunno... I admittedly live in a fairly liberal city in Canada but in casual conversation with all sorts of folks (I play soccer on 4 teams so have a pretty wild cross section of friends) I've heard lots of grumbles. Heck, a couple songs ago a random Tidal playlist song was groussing about the algorithms.

Even reddit had a bunch of grumbles and complaints and people looking for alternatives though I admittedly rarely look there anymore.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Lemmy world is basically still Reddit. so that one

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

press x to doubt

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Your friend is confused. Leftism is inherently anti-capitalist so she can’t be a leftist unless she wants to ditch capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Most people in say America define Left Right on the current political spectrum, with Democrats on the left and Republicans on the Right.

It's like when people talk about work, we know they're not actually talking about Force times Distance as defined by Newtonian physics, we understand they are talking about their job.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Americans do not get their own definition for philosophies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's the same in most countries. In Canada, we put the NDP on the Left, Liberals generally centre Left, Conservatives on the Right and the Bloc... well, they do Bloc things.

Similar set up in most places. In common conversation, Left Right mean a standard political spectrum.

If I said I went to work, have I redefined Newtonian physics?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

No, it isn't. Unless you are Eurocentric and ignore most nationsliberalism is where the left starts though liberalism isn't "leftist". The right is authoritarianism. This is true all around the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 minutes ago

Those were definitely words!

Can you give a couple examples of countries where the major left party/parties is/are anti capitalist?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago

Yes, I agree. Most people in the US are definitely not Marxist-Leninist, yet that's a vibe i get here frequently.

A more mainstream instance for normal people would be nice. Maybe there should be a non-profit organization behind it to back it up, pay the server bills, and such.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Lol @ "who volunteered for the Democrats". Ain't that a microcosm of every American politico (especially Democrats) ignorant of actual political theory.

Imagine getting upset that someone accurately described "leftism" to you. I can only imagine it's major cognitive dissonance after a lifetime of consuming mainstream political media calling liberalism "leftist" and pushing the overton window right.

Lemmy.world already is the "normie" instance catering to liberalism. Your friend either ran into the more progressive parts of that instance or an actual leftist from a federated one. Either way, they got told an accurate take.

Anyway, can we please stop all the attempts to make this place comfortable for conservative and right wing views in the name of "growth"? Have y'all actually been on a default subreddit in the last 15 years? Would that be worth it here?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 28 minutes ago

Imagine that, someone using words as most people use them! Wild!

Like, do you write to all newspapers when they talk about the Left Right divide and complain that the Dems aren't Left because they don't want to destroy capitalism?

What a weird existence you must have, almost all popular discourse just goes right over your head or what?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Your last point is what really resonates with me. I'll take Marxist-Lenninists all day over stupid right wingers who created this whole fucking mess. At the very least, the former read books. The latter only know how to kiss ass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Im not sure all the Marxist read books but theor heart tends to be in a better place

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Hey you're doing the thing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

what thing?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm like your friend. F--- leftists and f--- conservatives. I'm a hard core liberal and y'all can suck my d---.

I find lemm.ee is better than most but yeah as others have said, since everything is federated and the majority mass of users are hardcore leftists there's no way to really avoid them. Just get used to the downvotes and easily offended snowflakes and instabans and hope that as more people leave the mainstream social medias for federated socials that these people will be watered down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

There are tens of us already!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

The worst enemy of a leftie are other slightly different lefties lol

The good think of federation is that you can mute/block morons. And because there's no "algorithm" you are not shown content that the server thinks you are interested. So you have to be proactive and follow what you want to see, and mute the ones you dislike.

Also, you can have multiple accounts for multiple purposes. It's sane not to discuss politics with other people from other cultures all day, so you can have a dedicated account for that. And other account to have fun in a sane way, which includes muting politics.

In the case of this girl, she was american like the majority of lemmings I believe. But for people from the other hemisphere, the cultural shock may be even worse. My advice for those is always: Just mute. Don't argue and don't feed trolls. Nobody is gonna change opinions anyways.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

I feel like she wasn't told to use the block feature freely and deliberately. The block feature is your friend.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Lemmy.world is considered the "normie" instance. Even if you manage to find another instance, it won't matter that much anyway since most interactions are from federated users. The only way to avoid leftist views on Lemmy is to avoid politics completely (which isn't viable).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Many people block all political communities and keywords. It's definitely viable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

If you block political words and Linux this place is a ghost town...

... Except for LotR memes of course.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

So if you can't handle that there are other opinions, you either need to find the communities which support your opinions or go back to corporate internet, which filters out uncomfortable stuff for you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Corporate internet doesn't even filter out "uncomfortable" shit for people. They have a vested interest in keeping people engaged whether it's through love or hate.

This is a misconception I see all the time. Reddit et al try their hardest to make browsing feel like a roller coaster to keep up engagement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

... or clone the software and host it yourself.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 16 hours ago

Fediverse is anticapitalism at its core, it's a way to escape ads and money influencing algorithims and what can be said. If you don't like power to the people, join truth.social or some other unfederated instance.

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