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Considering switching to CachyOS from Arch after almost a decade (self.linux)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) by Thorned_Rose to c/[email protected]

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Finally a distro has me tempted into considering moving from Arch which I've been using for almost a decade (kudos to the CachyOS devs on a job well done!).

But one of the things I love about Arch is that I choose what is and isn't installed and after my spouse installed Cachy (also previously on Arch) I can see a number of apps come pre-installed (like Meld).

Is there a list somewhere of what CachyOS installs by default so that I can uninstall it post-install? Or is there a minimal install ISO somewhere that I'm missing that just installs the Cachy 'tweaks' and Cachy-specific apps (like Hello) + a DE?

I have considered converting my Arch install to Cachy but since this install is 3+ years old now, it would be more difficult to find and get rid of all the tweaks I've made here and there than just start a fresh CachyOS install and remove unwanted packages.

EDIT: Here is the answer: https://github.com/CachyOS/cachyos-calamares/blob/cachyos-systemd-qt6/src/modules/netinstall/netinstall.yaml

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I’ve been an arch user for years and recently switched to Cachy cause of performance promises and curiosity. I did use their repos before in arch,but I ended up with a mess and instead of fixing the mess I decided to wipe the slate clean.

It’s a decent distribution ,like most,but it did offer me 0 stutters in Path of Exile 2. With Arch I had so many stutters for some reason that it was really unplayable. I think anancy-cpp or kernel schedulers, or everything combined, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Anyway, fire up a vm, or install on baremetal and decide for yourself .

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Do you guys think people affiliated with a distro make fake posts like this to drum up interest in their product?

That must have happened at least once on these forums, right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Here's my perspective. I'm exactly that kind of guy you mean.

As soon as someone mentions "immutable distro", I get triggered and start shilling for Bazzite et al.

Why you might ask? Because I like using it, and because the guys behind it are chill dudes with a great vision and a lot of know-how.

I'm just a normal guy without IT skills. I can't code myself, I can't review someone's else code, I can't do anything.

But I wish I could.

The only thing I am able to is making it more well known.
If someone asks "What distro do you recommend for gaming?", I'll say "Bazzite".

Someone else might say "Arch", and another one "Tumbleweed". Everyone likes their own thing, and everyone shills for something else :)

I really wish your theory was real, then I could make some $$$, but everything here is FOSS. The devs are just as broke as I am...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's possible, but unless you can prove it, you're just blindly casting aspersions. Appeal to possibility is a logical fallacy.

Do you guys think people affiliated with a distro make fake posts like this to drum up interest in their product?

I'm sorry, "fake posts like this?" Do you think this post is fake? If so, why?

[+] [email protected] -10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s possible, but unless you can prove it, you’re just blindly casting aspersions.

Not really. If it's fake, it's fake. Proof isn't necessary for that to be the case.

Do you think this post is fake? If so, why?

Yes, because I wasn't born yesterday.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not really. If it's fake, it's fake. Proof isn't necessary for that to be the case.

Yes it is. Realness or fakeness is not a subjective matter of opinion.

Do you think this post is fake? If so, why?

Yes, because I wasn't born yesterday.

Your personal incredulity is not valid justification. Either you have proof why you think it's fake, or you're making irrational claims.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yes it is. Realness or fakeness is not a subjective matter of opinion.

Right. We're not talking about 'opinion', we're talking about 'proof.' Even if we can't prove a post is fake, it still can be. If you need further explanation than this then I cannot help you.

Your personal incredulity is not valid justification. Either you have proof why you think it’s fake, or you’re making irrational claims.

I can tell you were born yesterday.

Gonna block you now, because I know you're never going to stop replying to me. It's how you people try to cover up shilling.

Goodbye.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

The internet must be a miserable place for you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Even if we can't prove a post is fake, it still can be.

Literally the definition of Appeal to Possibility. "It could be, therefore it is."

I can tell you were born yesterday.

Gonna block you now, because I can tell you're never going to stop replying to me. It's how you people try to cover up shilling.

Ow, my poor feelings. /s

Exactly what I'd expect from somebody who broadly claims a post is fake but can't provide the receipts. Somebody calls you out, and you call them stupid, double down, and run, instead of engaging honestly.

[–] Thorned_Rose 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That's a very cynical take on things :( I'm not sure why the Cachy devs would want to do that when they could just post, "Hey, here's our distro, come take a look or try it out". This is a FOSS community and they're a FOSS product that people make in their spare time, not some huge for-profit trying to squeeze as much out of folks as possible.

I would think a post of me gushing about how I switched to CachyOS after a decade of Arch and how much amazeballs super excellent wonderful blazing fast easy to use easy to install blah blah blah would be more of a red flag than me asking what specific extra packages are installed lol.

But I realise that since these times are so full of fake posts, here's a pic or it didn't happen: https://i.postimg.cc/DZsdcmwJ/Screenshot-20250122-101326.png

And yes I realise I could fake this too but there's only so much time I can be bothered putting into proving that I'm asking a legit question and posting a screenshot is it. Take it or leave it. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll be honest, the fact you went through so much length to try and prove your innocence makes me doubt it even further.

[–] Thorned_Rose 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

🤦🏻‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

There's no helping this one.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, probably, but this one doesn’t seem obviously fake. It could be, but it also could be real. I’ve never heard of this OS, so I’m assuming it’s not popular.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is there any meaningful difference between installing CachyOS and installing Arch but setong up the CachyOS repositories and using CachyOS’ kernel? I did the latter, and things seem to work fine

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did you notice any changes in performance once you'd done the swap?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I did seem to gain around 10s in a compilation workload that takes just under 2 minutes (after the switch), but I didn’t perform any actual benchmark

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I tried it. Didn't found noticeable performance increase for me to daily drive. Biggest turn off for me was their bloat. Ended up going back to EndeavourOS. Funny enough exiftools performed better on EOS (only by couple of seconds).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It really doesn't install anything you wouldn't install yourself. The only thing I removed post-install was the Fish shell. I'll stick with Zsh and Ksh thank you. I'm on Cachy, I'd be happy to help if you need anything.

[–] Thorned_Rose 1 points 1 day ago

Yes, there are a number of apps (including my example of Meld) that I would install anyway. But a list is nice anyway just so I can curate things the way I like them. :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can boot from the cachyos livecd and install it the arch way that way you have fine grained control over what is installed, I believe that you have to modify the livecd pacman.conf to add cachyos repos other than that is pretty much the same as a arch install.

[–] Thorned_Rose 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you for an actual helpful answer, one of the few in this thread :/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Partners with cloudflare to stand on top of arch's shoulders. Seems sus to me. Why is this better than arch? They forked Firefox and also stand on top of librefox's work with unclear additions.

Seems someone just wants to look good on top of others' work. Oh but they compile a bunch of different kernels with random scheduler settings to really give you that edge.

I'm being unfair but what are the benefit of moving to cachy and why would I want to use something supported by cloudflare. I don't trust cloudflare any more than Google or Microsoft at this point.

[–] Thorned_Rose 4 points 1 day ago

to stand on top of arch’s shoulders

Ubuntu is standing on top of Debian's shoulders then. So is Kali, CrunchBang, MX Linux, Deepin, Rasbian, Tails, etc. Linux Mint is standing on top of Ubuntu's shoulders which are standing on top of Debian's shoulders. As is KDE Neon, elementaryOS, Bodhi, Pop!, Zorin, etc. Fedora and RedHat are standing on top of each other's shoulders. Bazzite, Asahi, Alma, Rocky are standing on their shoulders.

EndeavourOS is also standing on top of Arch's shoulders. So is Artix, Majaro, Garuda, Archbang and let's not forget SteamOS.

That's how FOSS works. And you do realise that it's not a one way street right? They all contribute up and down stream.... because again, that's how the FOSS community works.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Standing on top of others' shoulders is the entire deal of distros (and Linux, more broadly), no?

I don't know anything about Cloudflare vis a vis CachyOS (the politics of business melts my brain), but supposedly Cachy offers a speed boost for certain tasks. When I've used it, it feels as snappy as a Debian install I use.

For some, it may not offer them much of a difference. It's not going to be a "leaps and bounds" difference either way, but it allows people who don't want to optimize their packages manually and don't want to optimize and build their own kernel the opportunity to experience the potential benefits of those things.