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There were some posts over the holiday season asking for projects to donate to, and for those who have the means to comfortably do so, this is an important gift to consider.

If there's only a limited amount each of us is able to give, I assume there's no point giving it all to, for one example, The Linux Foundation, because a small personal donation is trivial next to the ~$15,000,000 USD they receive from sponsors dependent on them[1]. I understand that funding sources can be a major and profound source of bias[2] and ideally we would be, for example, helping to make Firefox independent of Google, but until we have more collective power, it's not worth letting smaller important projects struggle instead.

So, which important projects should we leave to the sponsors, and which really need our support?

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Jellyfin has explicitly asked that people find other places to donate to: https://opencollective.com/jellyfin/updates/were-good-seriously

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

I do see a mention in that post about instead supporting the jellyfin client developers. They give this page as a reference for who to support based on which client you use.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for sharing this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

same with antennapod

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reading the first lines I was gonna say just cause their operating costs are covered doesn't mean they should refuse more donations, because they could use the money to hire people to fix their garbage software.

But they cleared that up further down where they suggest donating to Jellyfin clients instead, which are indeed the biggest problem at the moment.

Hopefully it will one day become a viable Plex alternative for people that are sharing their server with "normie" users, and not just users that are technologically inclined and willing to use external Android TV boxes instead of hoping their SmartTV has a Jellyfin client available for it that isn't hot garbage

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Eh? TV boxes? Just use a web brower. What is a TV box?

[–] beastlykings 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Do you not have a TV? I've watched stuff on my monitor, sure, but sitting on the couch watching TV is what the vast majority of people do.

Unless you mean connecting your computer to your TV? I did this for awhile, there are ways to make it work, but I much prefer using a Chromecast or similar device to simplify the whole interaction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

to simplify the whole interaction

and watch video in full HD.

[–] beastlykings 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well I think of the people who have 4K stuff (I don't), there's probably a lot of gamers who have 4K monitors by not TVs? Just guessing, IDK 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not even talking 4k, literally just 1080p—most streaming services won't stream above 720p in a web browser.

[–] beastlykings 1 points 2 weeks ago

Oh that's fair, yeah especially on Linux

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have a low power nuc that I use to watch TV. All streaming services + KODI or whatever. I don't know why I would use some proprietary dongle. I prefer FOSS.

[–] beastlykings 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's cool. Is there an option for "casting" type software to emulate a Chromecast? I like choosing stuff on my phone and sending it to the TV

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We have a all-in-one keyboard and mouse. Labeled function keys to start streaming services with Chrome in kiosk mode. Obviously, mouse to navigate is in some ways more work than a remote, but actually much faster. Similarly, typing for a search is way faster with keyboard. Side benefit is that it's larger size means it won't get lost in the couch cushions.

[–] beastlykings 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's actually a pretty slick idea not gonna lie. If I ever de-Google, that might be the way I go.

I like to travel with a Chromecast and a mini router so I can do TV stuff away from home.

Now I'm wondering, I know that USB stick computers have existed for awhile. I'm wondering... Does something similar in size to the Chromecast exist? Something just powerful enough to stream whatever I want to a TV with whatever software I can load on it? Hmm...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Unfortunately not, or at least I was not able to find anything that would be fully Chromecast compatible receiver implementation. The Chromecast protocol is closed source and has encrypted communication. A few hacks exist but nothing that would be easy usable or anywhere stable.

[–] beastlykings 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's a bummer, but makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

AntennaPod states this on their website

AntennaPod doesn’t need a lot of money. Our (annual) costs are already covered by our existing donation funds. Therefore, we’d much prefer it if you

  • donate to your favorite podcast(er), or
  • help us with a non-monetary contribution.
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Wikipedia could learn from their decency

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Wikipedia is amazing, and I have donated to them a number of times. But something just rubs me the wrong way about their current donation drive and anything I read about how much their higher ups are getting paid makes no sense to me. Why are the salaries so high? Where is the clear breakdown of server cost and infrastructure?

[–] Croquette 4 points 2 weeks ago

I donate to Wikipedia monthly because this is such an important website, but their donation drive is making my blood boil each time.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Maybe I can say Wikipedia because if it’s mediawiki software. Every year they ask for money but a lot of their funds don’t go towards the Wikipedia project.

[–] wargreymon 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Their only defence is to support other mediawiki projects, but it is ambiguous we don't know how the money goes. The project, whatever that is, should speak for itself instead of going through Wikipedia.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Getting your ideas from Elon I see.

[–] wargreymon 1 points 2 weeks ago

It has long been accused for asking way more than the cost in sustaining Wikipedia, before Elon Musk talks shit about it on X.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you even read what I said? Go look where their money goes, it’s mostly for random outreach programs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

https://wikimediafoundation.org/support/where-your-money-goes/#%3A%7E%3Atext=Donations+to+the+Wikimedia+Foundation%2Cour+ecosystem+of+Wikimedia+projects.

58% goes to fundraising, administrative and technological costs. The rest has some money going towards, but no limited to, other programs.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/f/f6/Wikimedia_Foundation_2024_Audited_Financial_Statements.pdf

Only thing I can find in their financials that would maybe qualify as "random outreach" would be "awards and grants", at 26mil last year out of 185mil revenue, or 14%.

https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund

As far as I can tell, it's not particularly random.

Maybe I'm missing something?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

To me that still shows most doesn’t go where you think, especially when volunteers do the hard work.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd recommend you donate money to those who host open infrastructure. That stuff is expensive and critical to the free and open internet.

As for free software projects I suggest donating your time with contributions. That's what they need the most. Helping with bug reports and writing documentation are easy starters and worth much more than money. That's hard to sell as a gift though.. One gift card for confirming and investigating a bug in free software of choice. Merry Christmas Uncle Bob!

Going from being a cool hacker who does things for fun and share it with his peers to being a poor cyberbeggar does no good to a persons selfworth. Help out by contributing and let Mr. Cool Hacker have time for his day job on the side. We get better software and fewer burnouts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm glad you mentioned the open infrastructure projects. For example, I use some of the few remaining nitter/invidious/etc. servers.

As for free software projects I suggest donating your time with contributions.

Definitely. I'm already spending much of my spare time doing this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes! Writing software has no barrier to entry besides skills. Hosting something costs.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Why do people ask questions like this? Isn't, "Which worthwhile FOSS projects are underfunded?" a better way to say it?

It's just so kludgy.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's a different question.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What makes it a different question, I’m ignorant and ask that you explain

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not OP but I would say because it is a smaller list where if you want to donate and make a big difference to the project then you know it is good to give money to pretty much anyone other than the over funded ones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Appreciate you, thank you for the explanation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Which FOSS projects have enough funding that we should donate elsewhere?" is more-or-less asking "Which FOSS projects are overfunded?", making it almost the opposite of “Which worthwhile FOSS projects are underfunded?”

Plenty of projects I rely on are underfunded or adequately funded, and there are many thousands of underfunded projects. So I'll have no shortage of projects to consider. By instead asking for the overfunded projects, I can simply cross them off my list of projects to donate to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you, I understand

I think orbituary was trying to point out why do we not ask and give “notice” to underfunded project rather than those that already are funded and I feel both of you are trying to convey the same sentiment.

I could be dead wrong as well but thank you for bringing this to notice

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Because when they ask that, people say wikipedia or firefox and not things like archive

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

I feel like that list would be ridiculously long.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Matrix, Deltachat, Nextcloud more then enough, they can not more even with money

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Matrix? Are we going by volume or need? Cause i'm pretty sure they could use more funding.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Don't get me wrong using the Matrix, etc. But! They constantly complain: there is no money, no money, money appears, problems are not solved as before. A simple infusion of money will not solve anything... Money for what?! There are a lot of similar projects that are conceived and managed by one person, only one, without an army of programmers, managers, managers, etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Wikimedia, and wikipedia, also firefox

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

firefox I guess actually has enough funding

leverage inc should, make it happen...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Mozilla is losing the vast majority of its funding soon with the Google antitrust situation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

pip-requirements-parser

strictyaml

pip-tools

These are all abandoned important Python packages

Is funding for a maintainer even an option?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

The NetBSD Foundation can use some funding from Community.

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