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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

This is a sensitive topic for some people, so please do your best to have civil discussions. Let's do better than the average social media.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Reality keeps sliding into absurdity rendering satire mute.

[–] xmunk 128 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Satire should be staunchly defended. Some people may find it offensive and they can go fuck themselves.

Satirical publications are often the last free press able to publish in authoritarian governments and have often played a critical role in communication to weaken oppressive regimes.

We can all occasionally suffer jokes in bad taste in exchange for freedom of the press.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In the words of Sam Harris: "People were murdered over cartoons. End of moral analysis."

[–] [email protected] -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Well, he may have a point there, bit this is the same guy who promotes racial screening in airports in spite of repeated refutations of the usefulness of such measures by a security expert, so...

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Prohibiting satire of religion is a form of blasphemy law, and blasphemy laws shouldn't exist.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As in everything in life, your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.

If you don't like the satire of Charlie Hebdo, your right is to not read it. If you don't like a comedian who makes pedo jokes, your right is to not buy their tickets. If you don't like a TV show that shows drug use, your right is to not watch it.

That's it. That's the end of your personal rights on that issue. You do NOT have the right to tell other people what they personally view, watch, read, etc...

If enough people share your view, that publication/comedian/show will either change or go out of business naturally because of lack of subscribers. That's how it works.

I personally find Charlie Hebdo to be racist twits. But that doesn't give me any right to kill them. I have the right to just ignore them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

What makes you think Charlie Hebdo is racist?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Racist" is probably too strong a word, you're right.

I think "Tasteless" is more fitting. Racist would imply that they "satirise" some groups while protecting others, while Charlie Hebdo paints everyone with the same tasteless brush.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reminds me of something my coworker was telling me about Leah Michele from the show Glee. A black cast mate accused her of being racist and the the rest of the cast essentially said “nah, she’s a total bitch to pretty much everyone”

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago (15 children)

It was depressing that every newspaper in the developed world didn't print the cartoon :(

[–] [email protected] -2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, collective punishment is always a good response that has never backfired.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

They sold millions of them here in France though but yeah you're right. Especially the Danes who backed down then and again.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago

Everything is and should be allowed in comedy. Religion is no exception.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

I think the people's presumption that they have some right to be free from offense has done way more damage than anything.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think Charlie Hebdo comics are often in bad taste and more shock value than critic, but that's no legitimate reason to massacre people.

More than the attack on Charlie Hebdo itself, which I can "understand" in the twisted sense of a religious fanatic, it was the overall ruthlessness of the attackers that shocked me. I remember vividly seeing a video of one of the attackers walking up to a wounded police officer and executing him at point-blank range.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (6 children)

"Islamists" are politically far-right - paleoconservatives, theocrats, fascists.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

See Hamtramck, MI. They took over the local government and banned pride flags. The mayor is an Islamic Trumper. It makes no sense to me.

"I got mine here in the US, so fuck the rest of you all!"

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Satire should be free. Hate speech should not. People shouldn't be killed for either. I don't particularly cry when bigots die though.

All that said, there's reasons some jokes just aren't worth telling. There's times and spaces, and for some jokes there's neither and that's ok.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I don't have any issue or opinion or dog in the race with the prophet Muhammed, but those idiots made it important to say "muhammed the prophet is a giant cunt who should be laughed at and get a pie in the face" every now and then just to remind everybody how getting to talk works.

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