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micromobility - Ebikes, scooters, longboards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility

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Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!

"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"

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As powerful electric motorbikes such as those from brands like Sur Ron and Talaria become more popular, especially with teens,...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

juveniles riding Sur Ron-style electric motorbikes, which fall far outside the regulatory limits of electric bicycles.

Why would anybody call these machines "bicycles"?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because then they can sell them online in a shady way with no licensing or registration required. There's a lot of incentive to call them bicycles, which they most definitely are not

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

they can sell them

They can? Do you mean, it is legal?

It would be called false advertising here, or maybe even fraud. Fraud as a business means 2 years jail, minimum.

When the police simply takes away the vehicles, they are punishing the parents, maybe the grandparents, who will then have to pay the replacement vehicle for the spoiled brat. This does not change anything. It even helps the sellers who make additional revenue :-(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

https://electricdirtbikes.net/what-is-a-sur-ron/

Take a look at this. The bike doesn't have pedals. But the phrase "mountain bike" is on that page nine times.

Also this. "Some riders are increasing the speed of their Sur Rons to over 80MPH."

Not an ebike. An emotorcycle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There's nothing illegal in selling or owning one, and you can use them on your own land or ride around dirtbike tracks as much as you want. But I can guarantee that nowhere will any of the sellers be found claiming using one on public roads would be legal, because it isn't.

This is BTW the exact same reason why you can buy electric scooters in the UK even though they are illegal to ride on public roads, as that is the only illegal part.

[–] mindbleach 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

To legally avoid regulations about motorcycles.

It just didn't work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

My guesses are profound ignorance or dishonesty.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Good. These things are electric motorcycles, not bikes. See far too many kids on them not obeying any laws and putting themselves in incredibly risky positions, or injuring others being places they shouldn't. I'm all for cracking down on this, as they should require registration and motorcycle lisence to use.

Plenty of electric micro mobile options out there that dont put the kids/users and others at massive risk of injury.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Where are these kids getting the money? I just looked them up because it looks like a wicked fun trail bike, and they're $4400.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The MHBP also shared an image below of multiple electric motorbikes being towed away. Ironically, one of the police vehicles at the scene is a police-issue electric-assist patrol bicycle.

I really think Alanis Morrisette broke what little grip we had on the use of the word, irony.

[–] girsaysdoom 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Definitions change with time. Situational irony is a thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

Sure, but situational irony has been around forever. If the article was about people on illegal gas motorcycles being pulled over by cops, who ironically were riding gas motorcycles themselves, the word use would be just as wrong.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Why would those kids stop. A cop ain't catching them in a suv on those things.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Because when you dont you are now resisting arrest which is so risky you might as well take your chances and just go to school instead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

They can't get far, because these batteries last only for 20-30km.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I'm sure a lot of them don't, but they don't all get away either (and then they get additional charges for fleeing).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

These seem intresting. Do any of you guys have one? Is it any good?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I just have a shitty class 2 electric fatbike and my beloved steel frame MTB, but from what I've heard, Sur Rons are pretty good electric dirtbikes.