I use Void btw
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I love that I enjoy both “systemd sucks” memes AND “please shut up about systemd” ones!
when it doesn't affect you, and it doesn't for the vast majority... you can just sit back and enjoy the show.
Now that the "I hate systemd" movement is mostly dead, it's become funny again.
I don't think it's dead, we found solutions like using Devuan and stopped complaining.
I can still laugh at the memes.
I like systemd.
^Put^ ^the^ ^gun^ ^down,^ ^let's^ ^talk^ ^about^ ^this^
Can agree, it's like a well integrated interface between userspace and kernel
So I didn't understand it, and now the more I understand it it seems like a more completely abstracted interface for doing what we need service management to do, which is manage services.
I personally don't care if my system has systemd or anything, as long as it works & completed any task that i give i don't have complaints against it.
I genuinely have never heard of systemd before other than the meme about finding the next Friday the 13th or something
I've used Linux for a off and on combined total of 6 months (not counting Steamdeck desktop use)
As soon as you have to enable a a deamon/service, you have to interact with systemd. Systemctl is the command that is used for that (with option enable, disable, start, stop and restart)
Some programs require you to enable such a service, in order that they work, but would not talk about systemd while explaining install of xyz, more like “enable xyz: sudo systemctl enable xyz”.
Thats's intresting. I only use linux as vms, or on ny android Termux interface, since 4 months and i could install arch with archinstall and nowadays i'm almost done it without archinstall. I will also plan to write my own "bootloader" if grub and systemd-boot acts up, which grub did. I also wrote this script that creates a log file from your open ports using nmap and saves it with the current date:
clear ; pkg install nmap && sudo nmap -O 127.0.0.1 >> "log$(date +%Y%m%d-%H).txt" && echo "/n/nlog file saved to $(pwd)/log$(date +%Y%m%d-%H).txt" ; nano "log$(date +%Y%m%d-%H).txt"
I have no idea what you're saying but pop off queen 🗣️📣🔥
At this point we've gone past the point of people doing the thing and now it's just people ragging on imaginary people doing the thing
Every single post that even slightly touches on something that could be construed to be systemd-adjacent has the whiners in it here in Lemmy.
They cannot let it go, and I feel like this post is very necessary
I see, you haven't been to the phoronix forum in a while. Enjoy. Comments: systemd Saw A Record Number Of Commits In 2024
Oh no, I recently saw someone shitting on it still. They exist!
Most have just wisened up and moved to a systemd-less sphere, I assume, rather than fighting a lost battle on a niche hill.
Kind of the same syndrome of that people that want to feel opressed by made up reasons
Once again, give me a reasonable alternative and a distro that implements it, or stop whining.
Alternatives still alive and kicking: OpenRC, Runit, Dinit, s6
Gentoo (Systemd or Openrc), Artix (multiple choices), Void (Runit), PCLinuxOS (SysV), Obarun (s6), Alpine (Openrc, still transitioning to s6). Devuan (Runit + SysV) doesn't do it well. Gobolinux has program partitioning, Chimera moved to FreeBSD. And a vew nearly-forgotten Distros that never used Systemd at all, like Slackware, AntiX, MX Linux, Nitrux.
Artix and PCLinuxOS are imo the best pick for Desktop without hassle, Obarun and Void for console, Alpine for server.
s6 has user services built-in, dinit uses turnstile for that and, with seatd, additionally as elogind-alternative.
MX Linux, nearly forgotten????
dont use artix
i used it for a year, if you add arch repos (which you have to if you want to install anything useful) package issues get worse with every update, eventualy you have to add shit ton of ignore and assume installed flags to each pacman command
I used it for years now, with Arch repos, and had no such issues. They renamed their repos lately, needed manual changes in pacman.conf, maybe that's why? And if pacman proposes both sources, just take Artix' ones usually. Or your ignored packages caused issues?
I don't know if it was a skill issue in my end but one day I did a Syu and it gave me shit ton of errors about how bunch of packages conflict, I eventually figured it out but it kept getting worse with every syu
arch repos are not officially supported anyway so its probably not a good idea to use artix if you need arch repos
Gentoo with OpenRC is a good option imo
Half of these don't even handle logging
Logging like logfiles? That's the job of a syslog daemon.
It works but so do the others. I still maintain a sysvinit machine and it works just fine. This cartoon is just another example of someone who picked their team and now hates all the other teams. Someone who thinks anyone who thinks differently from them is stupid. Or they are just another troll.
What if my team is the "use whatever and stfu about systemd" team?
Its sound like a lonely place.
I don't like systemd on the meta level but I must admit that it's quite pleasant to use. So I'm not quite on the fence about it but rather of the opinion that both camps are correct in their own way.
Is that what we're going to do today, Kitty? We're going to fight?
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