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[โ€“] [email protected] 29 points 14 hours ago

God job Seattle!๐Ÿ‘

[โ€“] ArbitraryValue 15 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

Although the law does not define what a reasonable policy should look like, it says the companies should not deactivate drivers for failing to drive enough hours, falling below a minimum customer rating or turning down ride offers and deactivation should not be based on the results of a background check or driver record, except in egregious circumstances.

Source.

Wait what? This sounds rather extreme. I suppose Uber could have some sort of mechanism for evaluating driver performance other than customer ratings, but I'm not sure what that could be in practice.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago

Interviews by an FTE manager and reasonable complaint management and resolution like every other customer facing job would be a start.

[โ€“] conciselyverbose 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If costumer reviews/ratings were ever actually useful in any way you could make an argument for it.

But they're a huge mess abused all over.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The thing is they're a mess for everyone. So there is statistical value in looking for outliers over a long timeline.

Like anything else it's the details that matter and how they're used.

[โ€“] conciselyverbose 3 points 8 hours ago

They're a mess for everyone, and there is very little correlation between reviews and actual quality. There is not statistical value to using them.

More importantly, the confidence in any prediction you make using them is damn near zero. They absolutely should not be able to fire anyone with reviews being a factor in any way.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It could be comparing travel times/routes although those kinds of comparisons get complicated pretty quickly and can potentially incentivize dangerous driving. Ratings have the same issue, just pointing out there are other factors that could be used.

One of the main reasons that ratings are one of the worst methods of evaluating employees that interact with the public is that they tend to be impacted by people's unconscious racism and sexism.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

They absolutely look at routes. The thing is drivers run for multiple companies at once which is fine. The issue is when your Grub order sits in the back of the car for 50 minutes while they deliver 3 Uber orders across town.

I had a guy pick up an order 2 blocks from my house ( I was sick) then drove 20 minutes the opposite direction with my food to pick up at another place.

I'm on the drivers side, but they are bad apples.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You say unconscious. I say overt.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Overt certaintly happens, but when talking about averages for the population a lot of people judge others differently based on who they are and not necessarily what they do.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Yep, it happens even in populations where everyone explicitly condemns racism.

The way it happens is everyone has a baseline of what they'd consider fair treatment. They'll condemn people as racist if they treat someone below that baseline of fairness - that is the most egregious form of racism. However, they'll also do favours for people (i.e. treat them above the baseline) if they are perceived to be like them, while treating everyone dissimilar at the baseline - i.e. favours for pepole like them, and fairness for everyone else. While that means no one can point to an individual case where someone was obviously treated unfairly, statistically it means that the minorities get treated worse.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

and often subconsciously, for mild cases, it's so ingrained they don't even realize they're doing it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago

Crocodile tears ๐Ÿ˜‚