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Vegans criticize PETA: 🤷♀️
Carnist criticize PETA: all I hear is "BUT I WANT MY NUGGIES"
I think they're trying to make an internal critique of PETA as an organisation that claims to care about nonhuman animals. Most of the people that say that, that I've seen, sadly, don't actually think it's wrong to kill animals themselves.
PETA has done more to further animal rights than the meat lobby group that runs petakillsanimals lmao.
The petakillsanimals.com web site is run by an odious outfit which is just a shill for some pretty awful corporations. It is best to assume everything they say is somewhere between misleading and outright lie.
There are valid criticisms of PETA coming from the animal rights side, in particular Gary Francione has written extensively on this. (I am generally in agreement with him... let's hope I didn't just open up a can of worms here)
But the meme is right, if you don't genuinely care about animals, then you can STFU about PETA.
I don't think that's quite fair (as a vegan). You can make an internal critique of an idea without ascribing to it. For example, I can point out that the Christian God doesn't adhere to his own moral code, without believing in that God or any sort of objective morality.
While someone who eats meat is doing something morally despicable, critiquing PETA for not adhering to their own stated goals of animal noncruelty does not have anything to do with the moral beliefs of the person who says that.
And also, discussing whether PETA being criticised for being cruel to animals matters whether the person saying it is vegan, does not have anything to do with whether PETA is actually being cruel to animals or not, which is a separate conversation.
Yes, I was in a hurry and that last sentence of mine was lacking nuance. Sorry!
What bothers me is the concern trolling about "PETA killing animals". The people leveling this sort of charge are usually disingenuous and don't care about animals at all, but just want to fling mud at PETA. (that is certainly true of those running that domain name)
This is similar to people who bring up how many animals are killed while harvesting grain. This argument usually comes from meat eaters looking to find a "gotcha" hoping to nullify the ethical arguments for veganism.
These are valid topics to debate, but the bad faith arguments are annoying.