But more seriously, I find writing things down on a piece of paper so much better and serious than taking notes digitally.
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Yeah but what life event causes some people to forever write in all capital letters?
As soon as my school said cursive was no longer mandatory, I immediately stopped using it. Garbage, pure garbage. I've had a job that involved coming into contact with a lot of papers where people are still choosing to write in cursive, and it is consistently the most unreadable spaghetti I have had the misfortune to look at.
By all means find ways to transcribe old works written in cursive - into print, but stop trying to revive this shitty writing style, it deserves to die.
It lent to faster writing at the time before texting was the thing. Writing out each letter without running into another takes more effort. But yeah, doctors using cursive for prescriptions is a garbage fire.
I know what cursive was for, I was there. Writing something hypothetically faster has no value when the thing written is too illegible to read, which cursive virtually always is. The fact that block writing probably is a little slower to write is exactly what makes it more consistently readable.
Ok calm down. I didn’t invent the thing. Just relaying what I know.
I'm appalled by the absolute state of these comments. I expected more from what felt like largely a leftist space. more than yearning for ignorance. there's no space where knowledge is sacred anymore I guess.
good capitalist boy. bark. sit. work your ass off. never learn anything that doesn't give you immediate practical results, you understand? you're only to learn things that produce and/or consume. you're not to enjoy knowledge for the sake of it or anything that might spark creativity. we have AI for creative endeavors. you do the work. don't wonder. don't be curious. don't even think about thinking. does it make money? does it spend money? no? then stop and get fucking back to work.
There's a wide gap between only learning practical money producing skills... And trying to include cursive in a list of life/mind expanding knowledge.
It's just pointless and dumb. It might be faster to write, than normal letting, but for anyone other than yourself, it takes longer to read, as no one actually follows any of the standards. They make up their own shortcuts and it becomes a squiggly mess.
Or maybe cursive just sucks and needs to go away, while all the rest of us choose to value knowledge by learning things that are worth learning.
no it doesn't and you sound like you're just annoyed by having to learn it when you didn't want to. this is the kind of thinking that put comic sans on everything from restaurant menus to legal documents.
School as we know it was designed to produce workers, and cursive was a part of that. They taught us cursive because they thought we would need it for work.
cursive != calligraphy
And here i was thinking it was a way to write quickly and neatly
I was born in the 90s and we didnt have computers in school for us to use til I was around 12 or 13? And that was dedicated computer science class, and I went to a school known for math and science.
You needed to write your notes. By thr time I hit 14/15 we had to type our assignments but we were still using notebooks in class.
It was only by the time I hit college that people were using laptops in class.
So up until then, most people were still writing. I still write letters to people I care about - my girlfriend, friends who live far away, etc.
Also consider the vast amount of studies that show that handwriting helps people memorize or learn at a far higher rate than typing does.
Funny enough my younger brother is a good amount younger than me. He grew up with typing, his school gave him a Chromebook to start, laptops in every class, etc. It's just a difference in what you were taught and why, based on when you grew up. I don't think anyone expected us to go from n64 to ps4 in less than 20 years. The boom of technology has killed handwriting. But considering that for the longest time tech didn't advance at the rate that it has been doing since like 2008 or so, it makes sense that people were taught to write. Writing has been around for thousands of years. It's probably still a skill you want to be able to do, and do legibly
I write by hand so rarely that I just use sans serif.
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If it's for class notes, then the extra time helps me memorize it better.
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If it's for someone else, then it will be actually legible.
Cursive users tend to overestimate how legible their handwriting is to others.
sounds american. in normal countries it's a way to learn several things, including how to write and read a form of writing, improving fine motor skills, and hopefully being able to write quickly. just because you or anyone else hated it and didn't bother to get better at it doesn't mean it was for no reason.
even if so, this has no bearing on my comment which was about people's complaints about learning things that are not practical. there are people who complain that they had to learn 8 (maybe 9 if they're old enough) planets in order. oh the horror of knowing which of any two planets is further! multiplication table, probably the single most helpful part of math that helps with quick calculations without assistance? oh no! what about capitals? I can't put capitals in my excel sheet and earn a bonus!
then people will complain having got to where we are. this is why. because apparently learning anything that you can't implement in everyday life is a burden.
The problem with memorizing 50 capitals (or anything else useless) is opportunity cost. They could be learning useful things instead.
I think we agree that learning things just for capitalism is bad, but possibly disagree about whether schools are currently doing that by teaching cursive. Anecdotally, I was told that I would need it for work.
what's useful knowledge to specifically replace 50 capitals?
none of these are specifics, they're topics. but I didn't ask for that anyway. i said what's supposed to specifically replace the 50 capitals. none of these qualify. also "I wish this was taught" isn't really an argument for something else not to be taught. why not replace something else? what is going to determine the cut?
most of this list is about how things should be taught, by the way. I agree that learning problem solving skills, curiosity and thirst for knowledge and know-how to obtain knowledge is better than learning facts. this doesn't explain the disdain for basic knowledge about your country, the solar system or the fucking multiplication table.
Any information that's useful whatsoever? Maybe I'm not understanding your question.
I'd love it if everyone could label a supply and demand diagram, and that's about as hard as memorizing 50 capitals.
what I'm asking is how you determine what's useful and what isn't. unsurprisingly seems to come back to getting a good capitalist boy again.
I think capitalism persists because most people can't label a supply and demand diagram.
how? it's the most basic thing about economy. maybe it's because we don't have 50 states over here but we learned it. still capitalism.
Because an economy will still exist after capitalism, and understanding economic theory (like surplus value) is helpful in overthrowing capitalism.
I disagree. that's like saying the average serf needs to understand lordship to overthrow the king. no they just need to be fed up. the understanding of the intricacies of the new government is the job of scholars, not the serfs.
If they're fed up and don't know how they're getting robbed, then they'll elect a fascist they think is "good for the economy". We're not just trying to destroy something bad - we're trying to build something better.
This take is honestly bewildering to me. What do you mean "for no reason"? You learn it to write quickly and legibly. What other option is there? Writing in block letters like a kindergartener?? inb4 "bUt eVeRyThInG iS dIgItAl nOw". I'm a programmer, about as digital as you can get, and even I whip out the pen and paper for mindmapping and notetaking.
I'm also a programmer, almost all of my note taking is now digital. I have a small scratchpad when thinking things out tactilely, but that needs to be legible to only me for all of an hour, and often is just a few unconnected words
I work in construction. To communicate on site we need to do a lot of quick ugly drawings and writing notes on site in places way too dirty to use a computer. We do it by hand, and of course we write in cursive. I am also extremely bewildered by this post and it comments.
I was told I needed it to communicate and get a job. None of those were true. And I hated the process of learning it.
To be fair, no one can see the future, so there was no way that my teachers could know.
Sometimes life is just shit.
I'm a millennial. I was also taught cursive for absolutely no reason.
First of all, why? It's supposed to be easier/quicker to write things down using cursive but honestly, I can't understand people's chicken scratch cursive anyways, so it's basically meaningless. You might as well give someone a list of scribbles and just have them call you later for what it should say.
That's basically it. Signatures, sure, maybe, but bluntly, who gives a damn?
Fuck cursive.
Just practice drawing this single letter while I get over my wine hangover for the next 40 minutes. Heaven forbid someone gets bored and acts out.
I can barely read my own cursive if I try to write fast
I find it quicker to write in a mix of cursive and regular if taking notes
It's way neater in cursive
Also peoples handwriting skills have absolutely tanked since typing and computers became widespread
If you were writing constantly you generally had decent hand writing. Growing up, when I was really young, like 3 to 6, we were also graded on the legibility when learning to write
You and I have had very different experiences.
Anyone who has written anything for me in cursive, I have had difficulty understanding, or could not decipher what was written.
My cursive skills never really matured, so maybe that's the problem
training fine motor skills at a young age is worth nothing.. gotcha :D
There are better ways to accomplish that
might be true... but you don't learn writing cursive with those ;)
And? Playing games has been a far better use of my time than learning cursive.
Times I've written in cursive: nil.
Games I've played: more than nil.
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