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Donald Trump is considering privatizing the US Postal Service due to its financial losses, a move that could disrupt shipping and push hundreds of thousands of federal workers out of government.

Citing the USPS’s financial losses, Trump argued the agency should not rely on government subsidies.

While his specific privatization plans remain unclear, Trump previously clashed with the USPS during his first term, attempting to shift control of key functions like labor relations and rate-setting to the Treasury Department.

This move could significantly alter the structure and operations of the USPS if implemented.

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[–] [email protected] 193 points 1 month ago (4 children)

the conservative push to destroy this incredibly successful organization continues. its already been punished more than any other entity by requiring things no other business anywhere is required to.

starve the beast. theyve forced it to make financial considerations that now put it in pretend financial trouble so they can point at it as a failure.

if the USPS was allowed to run as any other business today it would be far more successful on paper than it already is, but conservatives just cant live with that.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good thing the Democratic administration replaced DeJoy and passed some protections while they were in charge... oh. wait

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can't replace him until a board of people fire him...and they didn't.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There were empty seats on the board that would have tipped the balance, sitting vacant for the entirety of Biden's term.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Not to excuse Biden, because he has fucked up on multiple fronts, but aren't those appointments dependent on Senate confirmations and thus sitting mostly empty under Obama, which let the Cheeto Bandito take over in the first place? And IDK if the Senate would have confirmed any Biden nominees. Wouldn't have hurt to try though.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

it shouldn't have to be 'profitable' in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

yep. no one ever complains about the profitability of our 'defense' system which seems to do more selling than defending.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It was never intended to be. That's why it has the word "service" right there in its name.

The USPS spent $89.5 billion in operations this year, which means that even if they didn't collect a single dime from anybody they could serve everyone in the country with every package and letter that they already did in the entirety of 2024 for about 4.475% of the Defense Department's expenditures in that same time frame -- which are just under two trillion dollars.

The Defense Department as a whole Hoovers up about 24% the Federal budget.

Therefore the fact that the conservatives have successfully bamboozled everyone into believing that the USPS should be run as a "business" in the first place is incredible. Would you support about 0.1 percent of your Federal taxes spent on granting you free Postal Service access forever? I probably would.

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[–] pelespirit 11 points 1 month ago

We're watching in real time what we've criticized other generations for letting things happen. Wars, electric transportation, malls for developers, Citizen United, etc., etc.,

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[–] [email protected] 159 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For fuck's sake, it's not meant to make money, it's a public service - it's literally in the name!

I wish more countries governments would get their head out of their capitalistic arses and understand that the services they run aren't meant to be profitable - that's what taxes are meant to be for!

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You're going to have to get with the times. Everything has to make money or it's scrapped including us.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm no economist but at some point doesn't that fall apart? If everything needs to be generating then aren't we creating a vacuum at the bottom or whatever? Money has to come in and go out equally in the end, no?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It does, and that's manifested in increasing labour requirements, and consumer spending.

The US solves it by using slaves and debt.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Huh...

Maybe if we just don't think about that, things will turn out perfectly fine.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The postal service doesn't lose money, it costs money.

By this logic, the interstate highway system and the military both lose billions! Is Trump going to privatize them too?

[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Thats not even a true statement.

The postal service makes money, but any surpless is automatically taken by Congress.

In the early 2000s the GOP passed a law requiring the postal service to upfront load the retirement funds of new employees, creating a massive debt burden.

Also, Congress has removed their ability to modernize equipment and fleets, forcing them to continue repairing aged equipment.

Not to mention, DeJoy, Trump's installment during his first term, has done everything he can to dismantle any modernization because he wants the Post Office sold at rock bottom prices so he can buy it, get this, because he owns competing companies.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Don't forget National and State parks - public lands in general. WhY ArEn'T tHeY tUrNiNg a PRooooFiT??

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Don't give him ideas. He probably would.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Every thing the gop has done to the usps had hurt it more... but everytime I hear "it doesn't make money" well it did before the absolutely idiotic idea to make sure pensions were super funded forward. Ontop of that. Why the fuck does a government organization need to make money? I hate this whole "run a country like a business" bullshit so much. Money makes everything worse.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

USPS doesn't lose a dime. It's a service. It costs money to run.

You know, like a government office does.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Same for public transit.

A bit of compensation isn't a crazy idea, but it doesn't have to break even with the money it does bring in. It's not like we have a ton of toll roads either, it's not an issue to spend billions on another lane or two.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Its almost funny how cartoonishly evil the Republicans are. They literally are shutting down all public utilities, giving contracts to the rich, spending trillions in the name of "cutting spending", kicking out random people, and im pretty sure a Republican has openly decared friendship to be his greatest enemy (because "woke" or smth). If this was a simulation the developers are getting extremely lazy with this plotline, the villans are literally just evil.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Citing the USPS’s financial losses, Trump argued the agency should not rely on government subsidies.

It already doesn't. USPS is entirely internally funded. What a fucking idiot.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Oh, the financial losses that can be directly linked back to Louis DeJoy's actions while in charge to actively sabotage the service, the same DeJoy that Trump appointed to sabotage the service?

They murdered it so they could sell it off, don't let them claim otherwise

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck the fascists. We fought the British over less tyrannical shit than what Trump is promising.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Wow, so wild that the agency you crippled with a nonsensical pension funding requirement is no longer running as efficiently as you demand! what a huge surprise, no one could have seen this coming!

Super cool that the Democrats didn't reverse that insane requirement btw.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

doesn't USPS have some special legal status? how are supposed to be things like court orders delivered if not by national mail carrier?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Who cares about the Constitution?

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It isn't a business, it is a service, it costs money that our taxes pay, so we don't have to pay shitty private companies. (And it still makes money) "Let's make the Mail just like ISPs" is a stupid take.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We should be making ISPs more like the mail.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Given the country's current mood, is it really wise for the oligarchs to threaten the livelihoods of the very group that gave us the expression going postal?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm not an accelerationist, but what's left to do now except bathe in the worm glow of our country burning down?

There is no arguing that America doesn't deserve all the bad things, and maybe a good old fashioned conflagration would straighten the survivors out for a generation or two.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I’m not an accelerationist, but what’s left to do now except bathe in the worm glow of our country burning down?

Well it's certainly not enough to just luxuriate in the chaos. Every time Trump makes things worse it's our job to point it out and explain why he's doing it. People won't radicalize on their own! They'll just blame immigrants and woke and DEI etc etc.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (5 children)

United Tesla Shipping...UTS

United Tesla Institute... UTI

Shipping Tesla Institution...STI

So many possibilities!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Quid pro Bezos

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Yeah, good luck with that.

Sincerely,

The UK, where we already had that stupid fucking idea.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The Postal Service is in the United States Constitution, Article I:

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Clause 7:

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

US Constitution text / archive.gov

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Republicans wish to destroy any public service. That has always been their mission.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

We need another mangione to put him out of our misery

[–] Kecessa 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Meanwhile in France

"Post offices are everywhere, private banks don't have locations outside cities... How about we create our own bank linked to the postal services!"

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

IF THEY PRIVATIZE THE FUCKING MAIL I AM GOING TO SCREAM. Is nothing sacred?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Does everything have to be a business to this guy? Some things are government services bcz they need to be done, and private businesses wouldn't make money off it. Not everything needs to be an attempt at making money off people.

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