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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 year ago (14 children)

That happens in the States too between state borders. I secretly think that States put extra effort into the area JUST at the borders to highlight the difference.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It must be quite common where there's not much love is lost between neighbours.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is brilliant, as a londoner, im saving this

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

I don't think that's unreasonable at all, actually. I'd expect liminal spaces, especially entrances, to get a little more attention to their presentation than other places - everybody knows first impressions are important, right?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

And even in between counties. I cross the county line between a well-funded suburban county and a dirt-poor rural county occasionally and the road quality is night and day.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The Netherlands is too small to put effort in one particular area. It's like painting with too big of a brush.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I was in the Netherlands for the first time in decades recently. The contrast between German and Dutch motorways was amazing. They were all like new whereas the German ones are just fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So wait... Non-American countries exist?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Nah, that's just a lie the Globalists want you to believe.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] samus12345 6 points 1 year ago

Never noticed the weird way he's holding the gun until now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It is like "Free Guy" movie. We discovered we were NPCs and now we want to play too. You were very cruel game masters: aging and deaths by time are not fun

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my experience the Belgian roads are much worse, but my experience is hardly definitive..

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, German roads aren't nearly as good as Dutch roads, but regardless you'll always be able to tell immediately when you enter Belgium

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My experience driving through Europe from Sweden has always been that the closer you get to the Netherlands the better the roads get. Middle Sweden is usually single lane highways with overtaking every xx km, southern Sweden has multi-lane highways, when you hit Denmark you get even wider highways and some truly spectacular bridges, then you hit Germany and your number of lanes increases again as does the speed limit, and then when you get to the Neterlands the roads are just as wide as the German ones but they look like they were built less than a week ago. It would be truly great to drive if the speed limits weren't such a massive step back from just coming out of Germany, or consistent to begin with. I never really knew what speed you were supposed to go because it feels like the Dutch arbitrarily change the speed limit every 10km. But yeah, road quality is absolutely insane.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Me playing GeoGuessr I was once placed in Flanders with a sign near me saying "Wegdek in slechte staat". The wegdek was indeed in a slechte staat.

Searching for pictures of these signs on Google, they seem to be accompanied by notes saying "Doe er dan iets aan!".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago

"Wegdek in slechte staat" means "road surface in poor condition."

"Doe er dan wat aan" means "then do something about it."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Aside from the translation. It's a bit of a national meme for Belgium that their roads are shit. Driving from the Netherlands into Belgium is noticable even for the blind.

They are trying to fix that, but infrastructure replacement is expensive and labor intensive.

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[–] samus12345 7 points 1 year ago

Stupid sexy Flanders!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There are borders in the EU though

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Where is this in the Netherlands ?

I already saw a similar meme in the past an the bike road was actually in Belgium.

I don’t want to be fooled once again :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pfft Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg are basically just one country.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Flemish & Wallonians would like to have a word!

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also the big EU signs with the full name of the country written?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Those aren't everywhere, and the image says always.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

This is because the Dutch local councils actually give a damn about road maintenance.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If you zoom in, there is a car in the bike way. The road is too small for 2 cars. If the bike way is just a line that gets ignored, I don't need it. But maybe I'm over interpreting

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think you are under interpreting. The road is absolutely too small for two cars, and it's showing that bikes have priority on that part of the road. If two cars are in the center car lane, they must wait for the bike lanes to be clear to pass each other, it's not first come, first served as a road with no bike lanes would be.

[–] adriaan 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100%. If you are a car wanting to pass a bike and there is an oncoming car, you wait behind the bike for the other car to pass before overtaking.

This road is also probably super rural and does not have enough traffic for this to become an issue. Overtaking and oncoming traffic is not a constant given how sparse the traffic is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Further more. That's 60 kmh not mph so it's relatively slow moving cars

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's allowed for cars to cross the line as long as no cyclists are present.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Actually, because the bike lane has a dotted line as a border AND a bike logo in it (repeated every 250m or something), vehicles MAY cross said line (for passing or overtaking) but a bicycle has right of way in that lane.

This way you can make a 2 lane road a 4 lane road for slow traffic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

As others have already mentioned, bikes have priority here. There is another aspect, however.

This scheme also intentionally makes the road look narrower than it actually is, which naturally makes people drive slower.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I wish we had more bike lanes in Madrid, or at least some that would start or end other than in the middle of nowhere.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Can you translate please?

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