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The great debate: Is football now Australia’s national sport? (www.heraldsun.com.au)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Well, I care about it just as much as all the other national sports!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's with the surge in calling soccer "football"?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, that is its name. What we call football is rugby.

Football. Can't use your hands. Hence FOOT

Rugby. Can pick up ball.

Rugby union. Rugby league. Etc.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago

Soccer was used to differentiate between Football Rugby and Football Soccer

Soccer is derived from Association, and since Football Ass sounds...not great, Football Soccer became the name.

So, Soccer is proper.

Source: Yank

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The operative word is "now"

Let's revisit in a month.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The click bait is strong with this one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not in a million years.

Noone aspires to play in the A-league. Until we get a league that gives the European leagues a run for the money this statement isn't really true.

We can't even beat the Chinese or Saudis in getting almost retired players over because we can't match them. And also without youth development academies it's just not going to work. Ask China and soon to be Saudi Arabia how splashing a wad of cash is going to work without spending money on grass roots development.

We just don't have the local talent to be able to create a competitive league, the majority of us can't play at a high standard and the very few that do understand that they need to ply their trade overseas to be successful.

Without a successful league the rest is moot, popularity is based on club games not an once every 4 years event.

[+] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Funny you mention him, but it was probably the best he could do. He had only one year in the premier league in his entire career. Until we see players that have the middle of their careers in a league it's all moot.

Domestic leagues are important due to accessibility. You're not going to have as much of a following if you can only watch it on tele at stupid o'clock.

That's half the reason why the NRL and AFL are popular, you can go to a game after work. We are the best in Aussie rules because we're practically the only country that plays it and similar to rugby league with the super league at a lower level to the NRL. We are the best of the best in those games.

Football? I would rate A league on the level of EFL league 2. Certainly not one of the top leagues in the world. People want to watch the best and their support is reduced by not being one of the best.

I see more people with EPL/La Liga etc shirts than local teams around town. That alone says something.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In women's rankings we actually do quite well, we're 10th ahead of nations with a rich footballing culture such as Portugal, Italy, Belgium and Argentina. That's why we're talking about it. Our women can make the semi finals as we've shown here, our men have no chance.

Another thing is that this is the closest we're getting to a world cup in Australia. That's why the support is where it is now. Would the support be the same if it's held in Europe or South America? I think half the people won't wake up at whatever o'clock it is to watch the games.

Yes we have interest in football, after all it's the most popular sport by far in the world. The Europeans and the South Americans can play well, so why can't we? I think the answer is as simple as the tyranny of distance.

It's way harder for players based here with family here to be able to go to a good academy because it's half a world apart. The best coaches, the best facilities aren't in Australia. We can't get any of the European teams to come and play any consistent games here because it's just too far besides the token pre season friendly if we're lucky.

Yes a struggling league isn't due to a lack of interest in football you're right. There is interest. I would call it untapped potential. Yes it's got the highest participation rate but somehow there's a missing link to turn the participation rate to form a quality league (I wouldn't say quality players because we do get them as I mentioned but they all just leave).

The A league has a player retention problem. And here's the problem - two players get offers one from an A-league team and one from I would even say EFL championship team, where will the player go most of the time? It's brain drain.

Like I said we need more than a world cup every 4 years, we need quality teams that people can go watch after work. That's why the AFL and NRL is so popular. These players are around, the clubs are down the road. The stadium is down the road.

Back to the women's football, only courtnee vine and clare hunt play in Australia. This is similar for mens. Otherwise we'll have this conversation every 4 years where football falls off the radar for the general population.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Football has been (one of) our national sport(s) for a century.

Soccer, not so much. Of course there's a surge in interest when we're hosting a big soccer event, or when our national team is doing unusually well. But it's still soccer, and it's hard for that to compete against sports that aren't notoriously full of cheats and insulting to fix that problem.