Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
Trump: Filling his cabinet with conflicted individuals and loyalists, many of whom have had legal troubles and been pardoned by him.
Biden: Pardons a family member who has never held government office for a drug-related offence.
And which story dominates the news cycle? The media is more than complicit in the resurgence of fascism in this country.
Maybe I'm being inflammatory, but I think this move might have saved his son's life. I wouldn't be surprised if the next administration was planning to make an example of Hunter to show off their newly radicalized DOJ
Agree, due to the politization of the case, its no longer about legality or justice. Its a safety issue now, I dont feel like this is an ethical pardon, but the country voted against ethics, so im not going to be mad at this.
If Harris had won then it would have been a very different matter, but the upcoming DOJ apointees will likely be 47s attack dogs and the biden family cant afford have any lingering cases for them to exploit.
Could have gotten epstiened I guess.
Thing that's been dominating the news cycle for weeks is momentarily less dominant than thing that happened just yesterday.
Must be because people are so unfair to that troubled youth who just needed help, Hunter Biden. Has nothing to do with Joe Biden promising to use presidential powers to pardon the indigent, disproportionately-black group of people who went to jail for possessing weed and instead using the powers specifically for his 54 year old millionaire son.
Wow, this reads with so much hatred that it took me a few times to recognize the sarcasm. It's not even nuanced, it's just so angry-sounding and seemingly hate-filled that my emotions were louder than the actual words.
If a nazi uses the n word...
No one is surprised.
When your only other option also uses it, that doesn't make it ok because they didn't mean to say it in public intentionally.
When you settle for "a slip" and say that's ok, the only thing you're doing is making it easier for people to act like the nazi isn't that bad. Because you've normalized it
If Biden wants to "take the low road" then fucking take it and do some good for the American people. Don't do it only for purely selfish reasons.
That is why people are upset with Biden about this
It's like saying it's ok to steal food for your starving family to justify stealing, then you just eat all the food yourself.
There's a lot Biden can do to help Americans still, he just doesn't give a fuck.
I am honestly completely indifferent to Biden pardoning Hunter. My beef is with the media. This impacts the life of 1 person: Hunter Biden. They're giving it wall to wall coverage because it's drama and they're reality TV calling themselves journalists.
My beef is with the media. This impacts the life of 1 person: Hunter Biden
My beef is with Biden, because even if the only thing he can do is pardon people, Hunter ain't the only one trump will go after
You telling me Hunter needs protected more than Fauci?
Even if so, why isn't Biden pardoning the other people as well
The issue is Biden isn't doing more, same issue as the last four years
While he's at it can he give me a pardon as well? Never know trump might be upset with what we say here. /s
I don't care about this pardon because it's a crime around bullshit that affects nobody, and has only gone the way it has due to political nonsense. The vast majority of drug offenses are similar.
I disagree with Trump's pardons because he has literally surrounded himself with career criminals, asked them to do criminal things, and pardoned them when they got in trouble for it.
Only one of these two is institutionalized corruption.
Sounds like a trump supporter arguing gun laws need revoked....
Like, you realize he wasn't charged for smoking crack.
He had charges for buying a gun while on crack, trying to throw it away by a school. And then it not being there when going back to get it.
The vast majority of drug offenses are similar.
The vast amount of cannabis probably. But not Crackheads.
Do you honestly believe habitual crack use that results in multiple trips to rehab isn't a reason for someone to not be able to possess a gun?
I honestly wouldn't be surprised, just holding out hope for the party for some stupid reason.
What I've been seeing today tho, Dems have gone full trump and will excuse anything and always say they're party had a reason for personal corruption and not helping the public
That's a fair criticism of Biden, but Biden wasn't being criticized by that comment, rather the media coverage was. The media has consistently shrugged their shoulders and acted like nothing was wrong as Trump time and time again utterly violates both conventions and laws, but the moment anyone not in the MAGA-sphere puts even a toe out of line it's treated as a huge scandal. Should Joe have pardoned Hunter? No it undermines the entire message of nobody is above the law, but at the same time it's such a trivial thing in the face of the absolute and complete disregard of both morals and laws shown by Trump and his team daily.
In the face of such blatant double standards the media's rush to clutch their pearls in this case just rings as exceptionally hollow.
I disagree that he shouldn’t have pardoned Hunter. Hunter went through the legal system with no advantages, reached a plea deal that was perfectly normal for any regular citizen, only to have Republicans blow it up to have something to beat Joe over the head with. Hunter has paid his late taxes with fines. The only remaining issue was him lying on his form about being on drugs while buying a gun. They were going to throw him under the prison for that dumb shit.
But yeah, Joe needs to go on a pardon spree. Trump established that new norm last time.
Should Joe have pardoned Hunter? No it undermines the entire message of nobody is above the law
I disagree. Hunter's prosecution was political in nature. Anyone else accused of the same crimes would not have faced even close to what he did. If it were anyone else I would still want Biden to pardon him.
All that Americans have left, on both sides I might add, is the desire to see the other side suffer. Republicans have been doing this for a while. The Trump presidency will disenfranchise the Democrats to the same level, evening the playing field.
This is where America is at now. Just angry people with nothing left but to hurt some scapegoats.
The only question is is this a race to the bottom (bottom being a civil war killing millions), or will the public wake the fuck up?
People really just want their team to hurt or piss off the other side.
It really ain't gonna be long till both sides are firmly "us/them" and the rich will keep making the poor's fight each other.
It's fucking embarrassing
The time to worry about the limits of presidential power was during the supreme court decision on immunity
Now that cats out of the bag, there's no sense in Biden trying to adhere to standards that no longer exist
True. Ain't nobody "reopening" debate except corporate news holes.
Yup. Let him go crazy with those powers. As sour as it tastes, he was given authority to do so by the Federal Supreme Court. If MAGA doesn't like it they can kiss our collective asses and roll that shit back.
They won't, of course, for a couple reasons:
I suggest those of you whining about this take a step back and look at the bigger issues. One of which happens to be rather rotund, orange, and requires us to stop bickering.
You argument is quite literally "the president should just go ahead and misuse power right now because it was abused before." It's astonishing what you people will let Dems get away with and how little you consider the damage it does to the party's image, chances, conduct and culture.
The damage is already done, why worry about image, chances conduct and culture in a country that's got no future either way
He might as well do what he can while he can, none of it is going to matter for long
Fucking good. The pardon power is bullshit and we ought to pull it the fuck out of the constitution. I'm glad Brandon pardoned his son, though, I hope republicans go apoplectic. Those cunts ushered in this era of lawlessness, why the fuck should we play ball? Sort out your twice-impeached rapist felon traitor president, cunts. Don't step to me with this Hunter Biden bullshit. Fuck off and die.
Honestly, Biden should just go completely off the rails, and do all the shit Trump is threatening to do, including jailing political rivals. Including the red members of the SCOTUS. Give them plenty of warning, and plenty of time to reverse their prior ruling, but start following through if they decline to. Make them respond.
I said months ago that Biden and the larger Democratic party needed to come out swinging. I doubled down after Biden's lackluster debate. When Harris hit the ground sprinting I was actually happy. Then some traditional democratic strategic asshat convinced her to simmer down and take a risky route that would only have worked 25 years ago.
Step up, Dems. We've gone from cushy NFL offsides to NFL Blitz and you're waaay behind.
Too bad the Democrats official motto is "when they go low, we sit here and do absofucukinglutly nothing but cry about it and let them tread all over us."
I find their continued requests for donations while they do absolutely nothing to be particularly infuriating.
Donate to us, we gave Oprah too much!
Trump is going to pardon much worse criminals than Hunter. And the GOP won't say shit.
Hypocrites are going to do what they want. So what debate?
Is going to and already has pardoned worse.
Oh my god, Biden did something vaguely questionable, clutch my fucking pearls.
vague questionable on a case that was questionable. I still think of how clintons impeachment was due to a lie about a relationship with lewinski in the watergate investigation which they were cleared for but they still impeached due to the lie about the questionable personal relationship and then not having even that for biden they went after his son who at most used his name to make money. But trump was impeached because of withholding money to a foreign leader until they managed to pressure their press to give him a line of attack on his opponent. And the dems never impeached bush or reagan. sad.
I know this is a questionable move, but with a gang of fascist crooks about to take over the USA it's a bit depressing to read headlines that are still stuck at "renews ethical debate". Fascists don't debate ethics or anything else, and particularly fascist autocrats and their enablers don't debate the ethical limits of presidential power. They have other ways of resolving matters, and people need to focus on preparing effective ways to defend themselves. Ethical debate is something other people do while fascists get the camps and guns ready.
Incidentally, his article is four years old. The note at the bottom has the wrong year: it was first published in December 2020, not 2024.
There is no "ethical debate" anymore. You're system is broken to the core and I don't blame Biden at all for saying "fuck it".
Hell, if I were him I'd use my so-called "Presidential Immunity" to do whatever he can to fuck up the MAGA agenda before he leaves.
"I'm putting 6 new judges on the supreme court, all democract. Why? Because fuck you, that's why."
"I'm giving two of our nukes because fuck Putin"
Joe Biden is an embarrassment. This is another reason why the US chose trump, democrats have proven to be no different than the GOP. The republicans are honest about how corrupt they are. What a fucking sad state
Yeah one has pardoned his son, while the other has raped children, been good friends with Epstein, is a felon, lies frequently, and has attempted overthrow the US government. They're totally the same thing!
Epstein’s friend Bill Clinton? But seriously, they are NOT the same, but they are both own by the same people…and neither really care about the average person.
I'm hoping that this is just a start and won't be a single action. I can unfortunately see the side of everyone's opinion on this, good and bad, which is why it needs to be today's headline only because Trump hasn't put some other loyalist in a position today yet.