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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

In terms of seeing more credible people take office that has an honest mind in what's best for the country and not for themselves or their party. I say we certainly are likely past the point of no return. That wall was cracked when Reagan took presidency and then the wall was just demolished just by one Trump term.

So now we're going to be expected to see all sorts of crazy people, just jumping at the bit, for their shot to take some sort of office, despite having had no credibly solid background of politics or understanding in managing the big office. Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California, Kane (wrestler) became mayor of a county, Dr.Oz is now in a political position after scarily coming close to a senate position. It's just maddening all around.

We've been experiencing numerous government shutdowns or coming close to another government shutdown because all politicians collectively could not get their shit together. If we're past the point of no return, about whether America has any credible influence and sincere posture on the rest of the world. Yes, it is the point of no return and it'll take many generations to fix. It won't be this one though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Why do we call it united?

Last I checked the math books, 50 is Divided.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could be, but we have thought that before.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

As others have stated, this is an entirely new depth to that thought.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It might be for some stuff. I'm worried that it'll have a lasting impact on women inside the USA as well as outside. Inside, they'll have their rights taken away over time. Outside, morale will be impacted. But I'm hoping it'll cause an uprising rather than the other way around.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe. US history is full of crazy fucked up shit that the nation has made its way through thus far. This kind of situation hasn't really happened in the US before though, and historically these kinds of situations do not work out well. We are past the point of no return in that the status quo Washington Consensus or whatever you want to call the previous era is gone now, whatever is coming is something new and different and the US role and position in the world are never going back to what they were before. Really I would say this process started with Bush II but there is no reversing it now that Trump has won a convincing electoral victory. Whether we're past the point of no return for the US constitutional order isn't really clear yet but it's not looking good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Appreciate your measured response. I'm wondering how long it will take folks to stop coping out of self preservation and say out loud that this isn't anything we've seen before - it's brand new and can go as far as has been threatened.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I guess we'll see.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

From an outside observer: it's gonna be harder, but I don't think so. Still, the playbook Trump is gonna try and follow with his trifecta is what his mate Orbán did in Hungary. How hard that is going to be to undo depends on how far he gets.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Someone who has been president before, for four years, was elected president again.

I cannot think of anything less similar to a "point of no return".

You may think of him or his policies what you want (I personally have a mostly negative opinion of him too!), but we have all had four years of opportunity to observe what he does when he is president.

If you are thinking that Trump is like Hitler, then please point me to anything similar to:

Oh, none of those things happened in the late 2010s? Then why exactly are you expecting them to happen in 2025 or 2026? What is different now?

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Would you ever allow yourself to accept that truth if so, or will you need to see actual bodies in the streets before you believe it's over?

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No. Just the next chapter in the story.

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