this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
716 points (97.7% liked)

News

23297 readers
5823 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
(page 2) 28 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] xmunk 44 points 12 hours ago (10 children)

What a terrible question. He was an awful person but obviously nobody is all bad.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There is literally nothing I can think of that would make him good in any isolated field. For a long time people held the believe that he was pro environment and animal rights. But he also killed his own dog. People also say that he had a special aura around him. That he was very charming. But those people were likely like trump supporters today. My great grandmother actually got to see him before she fled Germany. She said that there was nothing particularly interesting about him except for the way he speaks maybe.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The question is still to vague. Obviously all of his politics were the worst. But the way it's phrased, you'd kinda have to agree he wasn't ALL bad if, for example, he made a pretty tasty pasta sauce. Like. Not that it'd be relevant. It's the vagueness of the question that I'm critiquing. Maybe I'm just having an autism moment.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

He was vegetarian (loaded topic, I know but probably gets more support than 20%) and loved dogs, for example.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

He wasn't, it's well documented he wasn't vegetarian this was spread as anti vegetarian propegand.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah? Care to share some links for that claim? Since Wikipedia has a whole article about Hitler being vegetarian. Apparently, he wasn't super strict about it but he identified as one and the article also quotes newspaper articles of the time. I'd assume "anti-vegetarian propaganda" is a more modern thing.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Depends on how pedantic one wants to be.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Well I can't think of any good qualities that actually mattered.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 hours ago

That’s the point. He was objectively all bad.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

Even without or beyond judging the person, it's the actions, results, and consequences of those actions too.

Which is even more complex, but important for understanding the context.

But it's def really important to avoid black & white (wrongful) memefication, bcs suddenly the memetic value (the "idea" that the image of Hitler represents to masses on average) is vastly corrupted & serves other purposes.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Ok, I get it, but we really should avoid looking at things/people like Adolfy as black or white - that just makes it a meme & loses actual historical/lecture value.

With Hitler being a one-dimensional idea/meme/brand instead of a human (supported by humans with rational human causes) I'm afraid we are doomed to repeat the same cycle of mistakes.

What I'm saying is that instead of education we have strong propaganda (after a specific date) that taught us this Hitler brand was just & only bad, like it was a spontaneous event. Instead of a full person & a nation (again full of actual people) with voting rights in irl situations.
And propaganda isn't free, it's financially fueled, which means it wants something in return.

Monsters are humans. We need to remember that, despite what we are preached.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

1 in 5 cant see that far behind them.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 hours ago

Well now he's going to be president.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago

I mean he did kill Hitler, that's got to count for something.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

It has just happened. The liberty aura surrounding America has been broken.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago

He did promise the masses a family land and a job. The same thing that every politician ever has promised.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

That's better than expected. Or is it that low because the rest thinks he was actually great?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

They're about to find out.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Yikes. Very troubling.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

I mean he was right about some things. Course extremely few people are wrong about those things but every now and then simple arithmetic trips people up

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago

One in five Americans is the monster...mean it's more than that I guess but ugh

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

When you look into Hitler with a kind of Devil's Advocate-ish no pre-bias approach, certainly some good ideas. Was for workers, abortion, prostitution, national healthcare, good minimum wages, women's rights,... But there's just some... just a few... a handful, if you will, that were maybe...maaaybe what could be considered psychopathic monstrously batshit insane ideas.

But, hey, plenty of people love the Christian god, and Hitler is somewhere between that guy and a Powerpuff girl, so no surprises for me.

The power of charisma over those apathetic to self-thinking.

Edit: Apparently we have a lot of God-fearing neo-Nazis here! Sorry, it was a joke, I'll just leave. No need to try track me down.

hides under the floorboards They'll never look here!

load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›