Wtf is this website and what is their goal? I couldn't find anything on there, who are they??
this post was submitted on 12 Aug 2023
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Why would you even want to stop population decline? It's, like, actually very beneficial for the ones who then live in a less crowded world : |
It’s on their weird about page
“The crazy thing is, despite all this, people still want kids. The economy and social challenges—are the real culprits for the drop in birth rates, not a shift in attitudes. Countries with austerity measures, like the US, UK, Germany, Italy, and Greece, have lower birth rates than Denmark and France.”
It seems to me that they are using population decline to go after austerity and NIMBYs
But you have to admit that still is weird. I don't believe this is their primary goal, setting up a website and writing articles without a more clearly stated goal.
It’s weird, but everything is well researched, verified, and cited.
If you want I can give you the Reddit user who originally posted the site and you can ask him if he is David
Long term, yes, great for the planet. But shorter term, a shrinking pool of working aged adults are going to have to care for a growing pool of elderly. Additionally, the overall economy is going to contact before the age cohort imbalance takes care of itself. Same thing is happening across most of the developed world, but it's happening faster in China, and they're less developed to start with.
I don’t know, I found this on Reddit when the guy came after Michael Deacon for blaming for millennials and pleasantly surprised it was for increasing social spending and building homes rather than some right wing nonsense.
Every article is by “David Demos” which is clearly a pseudonym. I’m not disagreeing with the conclusions, but it’s definitely a red flag for me when info about the author is so obscured. Like it’s fine to be anonymous of course, but there is no establishment of who this person is other than an About page that uses weirdly upbeat language to advocate for anti-austerity measures to support population growth which is itself a strange take and I would want to know more about who is making it and why.
Yup I agree
Why not, as long it means being against austerity?
Hell, the article is critical for the CCP not spending more on social services.
Am all against austerity, but that page name reeks of weird brainworms. OK I'm gonna read it just to sample their insanity.
You just gave me a killer name for a community!
AllAgainstAusterity
Edit: I made the community https://lemm.ee/c/allagainstausterity
They’re about page is a bit of a trip and seems like it’s all about being anti-austerity? At which point why not have an anti-austerity website instead of one about stopping population decline?
7 million new humans in a single country per year is A LOT of goddamn people.
Imagine a major city's worth of people suddenly appearing every single year. It's completely unsustainable.
It’s not so weird when that country has about 1 out of every 6 humans on earth, and when 10.56 million people died in China in 2022. They’re experiencing decline not growth.
I didn't say it was weird. The numbers are still incredible.
And with nearly 1.5 BILLION people, it's not like they'll run out of people.
This isn't a Children of Men situation.
The number of people is irrelevant in the context, only the birth vs death rate. For context, there were about 10.5 million deaths in China last year. For social stability, you'd want the population to at most have a slight decline. A 50% higher death rate than birth rate is NOT slight.
Again, adding over 7 million people is what's important, and it's a huge number.
We're talking about a loss of 3 million once you factor in deaths. If it was a country like Canada, with a population of less than 50 million people, that would be problematic.
But with a population pool of 1.5 billion, what's the actual concern? What social instability does this cause that a population of 1.5 billion already doesn't?
There will never be too few people in China, and a slow population decline from 1.5 billion allows for a more sustainable future.
adding over 7 million people is what's important
It is not. When dealing with statistics, percentages are the only thing that matter.
If it was a country like Canada, with a population of less than 50 million people, that would be problematic.
Losing 15% of your population on a yearly basis isn't problematic, it's species-ending catastrophic.
But with a population pool of 1.5 billion, what's the actual concern? What social instability does this cause that a population of 1.5 billion already doesn't?
To put it in perspective, that's the same population loss ratio that japan is currently experiencing. Japan, the country that's teetering on the brink of cultural and societal collapse from an aging population.
There will never be too few people in China
Yeah this sums up the problem fairly well. You're so stuck in your personal opinion of china's population that you can't imagine for a moment the situation changing, regardless of what the data might be saying. You're no better than the people who refused to believe climate change was occurring. Fuck your gut instinct, pay attention to the actual numbers.
Bro, the actual numbers (3 mil loss a year) is insignificant when your population has 1.5 billion people in it. What demographic will catastrophically collapse?
You're getting 7 million babies (i.e. young people) to replace 10 million old people... this is actually quite good and the way it's supposed to be.
And is this coming from a country that had a one child policy for decades, then increased it to two and then three kids. *They literally don't want more people! *
Scale matters.
Well, they also could be having 90% of a major city's worth of people dying every year, but I haven't looked up the exact number.
Someone said around 10 million die per year. But old people die. Everywhere.
But they are “replaced” by 7 million+ babies.
Let's not forget that China STILL limits the number of children you can have, and limited families to one child for decades before the limit was raised to two, then three. They don't really want more people.