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Let’s compose a list of the all shortcomings so that we can address them and eventually hit 100k mau.

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Not enough people around to discuss some more niche topics and hobbies.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Specific video game subs are what I miss the most. I used to be very active in r/stalker and r/teslore, r/trueSTL. There is nothing like that here that sees more than one post per month, and I'm not sure that I have the energy to commit to reviving it myself.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 week ago (7 children)

It's too fractured, posts in one community on one instance have separate comments and interaction to the same post in the same community on another instance, even if you use crossposts properly, and it clutters up your feed with multiple of the same post

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is a big one. Its probably doomed to imperfection and hold out Mods who don't want to do it but I think some kind of Community Sync option would be huge.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

One problem is that the API call that returns the feed doesn't provide crosspost information (unless that's changed in 0.19.4+ since i'm still developing against 0.19.3).

Crossposts in the feed have to be done client side, and you can only "roll up" ones that have the same URL (Tesseract can optionally roll up on identical titles if there's no URL). However, that's limited to just the ones that come through in the same fetch (unless you store all posts locally, which is something I'm considering in the future for offline support; most apps don't).

The API call that populates the /post page does provide that crosspost data, and I've thought about making an option to combine the comments from each into one "megapost". But there are a few problems with that:

  1. Officially, crossposts are only compared against the URL. The crossposts may have different titles, and one or both may have different text in the post bodies. Which do you display?

  2. Culture clashes. Let's say there's an article posted called "Ford Releases Their New Monstrosity 5000". It gets posted to c/cars and c/fuckcars by different people with different intentions.

The tone of the comments would be wildly different since the two communities are basically ideologically opposites. The replies to comments that came in from c/fuckcars would be responding to car enthusiasts from c/cars and vice-versa. It would basically be a form of soft brigading.

  1. It would be confusing for moderators to have multiple communities' comments in the same post. What flies in one may violate a rule in another. Mods would only be able to take action against those in their community and not all.

I've wanted to do a feature like that for a while now, but every time I've tried to plan it out, it always seems like it would just make things worse. Even with indicators as to which community the comment came from, it's still not ideal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

…is it weird that I actually like this part of it? It feels like it allows there to be different “flavors” of communities, and I can decide which flavor I like and which one I don’t.

I can see how it would get frustrating as a poster trying to figure out which community will get the most reach.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Too much focus on discussing the news and politics. And rarely is it an inspiring and new perspective. (Sometimes it is, though.)

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (5 children)

this election is among the most important ones in the history of the country. if not the most. i am also looking forward to it just being fucking done with and having other things on the feed

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

They say this every time lol. Its all bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I hope it turns out well for the people living in the country. We're going to find out soon..

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One thing I've learned is that voting is a lot like breathing.

Every time you do it, it's the most important one of your life time.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I remember 2008. McCain vs Obama. I preferred Obama but honestly I wouldn't have minded too much if McCain won, it was just Sarah Palin that was crazy.

Contrast that with Jan 6th, 2021. The loser of the election incited a riot and attack on the US capitol and democracy. This individual is running again.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I recall another thread a few weeks ago where someone suggested a no political discussion day, and everyone down-voted him and gave them angry responses. I recall one up-voted response saying "everything is political".

This place has become an echo chamber for cranky old Linux users and is really uninviting to anyone else.

One of the things I miss about Reddit is the diversity of opinions and viewpoints on the platform. (I didn't love the insane amount of reposts and bot traffic)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hehe, btw, I'm one of the cranky Linux users slowly growing old...

I can tell you this isn't really an echo chamber for people like me. I'd say the majority of people here are more "normal" people. My take on things often gets opposed. And it feels quite different to the old school places where Linux users and admins mingle. Often times the mob mentality (if there is underneath a post) is against me. A Linux forum feels very different. Especially the way they talk to each other. Here, people argue about opinions, while the "proper" nerds discuss technical facts and then something is objectively right or wrong (or solves something). Which I don't see happening here that often. So I'd say it's not it.

You're right. Everything is kind of political. And arguing about politic sometimes is stupid and tiresome. And I also like diversity of perspectives and opinions. I wouldn't need to talk to other people if I wasn't interested to hear what they got to say...

(And the downvoting here is just silly. I also think it's way more pronounced than on Reddit. I regularly see urban legends getting upvoted. While nuanced and longer perspectives get punished. And being human surely includes ignorance. It just doesn't help anything once it gets part of the dynamics.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Ha that was my shower thought post. I was not expecting to be hated on so much for a little idea.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Its always about one of two things:

  1. Instances going down forever. - kbin, even though its not lemmy, had a more appealing UI to me and my little brother. We're on fedia now, but I only really use it to lurk when Lemmy.world won't load randomly. I don't think he even uses it at all anymore.

  2. De-federation. - Beehaw caused several other people I know IRL to go back to reddit within a week. The timing was so perfect to wreck the API boycott that I'm almost convinced the Beehaw mods work for reddit. "Everything was broken" and now lemmy is dead and gone forever in their eyes, some even assuming the whole thing is literally gone now. They're not willing to try again.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Nah, I have a different gripe:

When the reddit exodus happened, Lemmy was flooded with copycat communities for every popular subreddit. That's fine with me. But what's not fine is that very few of these communities use the same posting rules (if any at all) so they're homogenized. Like what is the difference between nostupidquestions and asklemmy?

I have another one that's not specific to Lemmy but absolutely applies: meme "communities" where it's all reposted content. I used community in quotes because these communities/subreddits/Instagram accounts are just....meme archives. You'll find the same shit in every single meme archive on the internet. It feels like it's less about sharing and more about having the biggest bucket.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Reddit means pointless or stupid repetition (I forget which). I guess that whole homogenized thing is baked in if they were to migrate.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The politics is very left wing and very unwelcoming to any other viewpoint.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

if a "viewpoint" is based on lies coming from a convicted felon rapist traitor to the country, than anyone holding that viewpoint can actually go fuck themselves

edit: as a reminder, we're talking about people who cause and advocate for this

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What a perfect example of what the top comment meant. "You either 100% agree with us or you are a trumpist/fascist/nazi", no in-between, no nuance, no moderation allowed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

“You either 100% agree with us or you are a trumpist/fascist/nazi”

if someone's voting for trump, then yea. that's exactly what they are.

if you sit down to dinner with 8 people and one of them is a nazi, then you're eating with 8 nazis

maybe trump voters don't come to lemmy because they know they'll get shat on. they're free to make an instance of their own like hexbear and lemmygrad.

but the thing about trump voters is that you can't have a rational discussion with them, because they throw everything they don't like to hear out the window as "fake news"

so yea. they can still go fuck themselves

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not everyone who is right wing is voting for trump.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Are you seeing Lemmy being intolerant of all right wing discussion, or just Maga bullshit like sol is railing against

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

oh that's right-- conservatives also push for privatizing and deregulating everything, small government (except when it comes to gay marriage and gay books in the library), mandatory jesus for everyone, no taxes for billionaires, all the taxes for peasants, blaming all the world's problems on mexicans-- what am i leaving out? oh yea, this

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

and very unwelcoming to any other viewpoint.

Thank you for providing a great example of this

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Agreed, basically if you are moderate, you have to block 2 or 3 major instances to escape from extremist content. That's very unwelcoming for new users.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m pretty sure Lemmy has a right wing bloc of instances.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe but they are not in my feeds.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The default web interface is very poorly designed and looks uninviting. Sure, there are great alternative interfaces but people will be turned off before they could check them out. Also, it's usually the first thing you see when someone's sharing a link.

There not being an official app is also something that will confuse non-tech users.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The default web interface is very poorly designed and looks uninviting.

A redesign is on the way. It will use Leptos with DaisyUI.

There not being an official app is also something that will confuse non-tech users.

Jerboa is official.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is Jerboa official? I used it at the start but it seemed to just stop getting developed. Myself and plenty of others have since moved on to other 3rd party apps. I'm using Voyager now.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

The default web interface is very poorly designed and looks uninviting.

Disagree. I find it rather clean and functional, even on mobile. Maybe because I liked old reddit. Maybe younger people are used to Instagram-like feeds so they don't like the compact forum style.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I thought Jerboa was the official app.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Indeed an official app would ease the user on-boarding.

I had to read through some articles first to get the concept of the fediverse first and the look out for my home instance. That’s way too techy

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Many instances have domain names that look invalid and/or like scam sites to non-techies. Dot world? Dot social? Dot [obscure country TLD]? There's also no guarantees that the domain will indicate that it's a Lemmy site. Both of these become problematic with sharing, as the default (? been a while since I've used the web interface) share function links to the poster's instance and not the community instance. A year and a half ago, the shared links section in my messenger was mostly a Reddit flood. Today, it looks like someone spilled alphabet soup.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Just today I was about to share a link and the URL was like "shit just works" and I was like damn, fuck that, I can't share this shit. Not even joking

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When they post asking for help with Windows and get an entire thread of answers from obnoxious elitist wankers who couldn't even decide on a distro between them

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The fact that many on the internet haven’t gotten past the largest hurdle, creating a Lemmy account.

We’re currently at 462k created accounts.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Isn't it always that >95% of users are lurkers? I don't bother logging in most of the time, I just go to lemmy.world or something and sort by all

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

This one is my biggest challenge too… I wish there was, like, a “trial” instance that folks were automatically signed up for and then after 30 days they had to switch and find another instance.

Once you’re in the door it’s lovely, but that first barrier to entry scares people off.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Finding instances for sure. Just learned in this thread that sorting by 'all' doesn't show me every instance

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Too many terrorist simps, too much mod abuse, too much disinformation, too many Tankies, discovery of communities is hard with how federation works and kinda requires third party apps.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Generally mods of the communities still suck to an absolute extent, not as bad as reddit but still nowhere near acceptable.

I hate not being informed of bans, and I think they are all permanent.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They're not all permanent, Lemmy displays the duration in the mod log. I agree that there should be some kind of notification though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Gosh the permanent bans being handed out like candy to someone being rude is often too much.

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